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Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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I read your whole comment, and damned if I know what you’re trying to say. The problem does not lie with the reading comprehension of your audience.

Don't you think that "They didn't leave the EU, and surely not leave US [if they start regulating]"? Makes it clear? Background sentiment, US politicians always justify not regulating due to the "fear" of corpos leaving?

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Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Your reply makes sense in a vacuum, but in reality we have the context of having seen Apple comply with regulation maliciously before, so we do know for sure that there's no macOS in the sdk because they weren't forced to by regulation.

> we do know for sure that there's no macOS in the sdk because they weren't forced to by regulation. Unless you have insider knowledge, we don't know anything for sure here. Apple isn't a person. Apple doesn't have a single, consistent opinion when it comes to openness and EU regulation. (And even a person can change their mind.) All we know is that some teams at apple responded in the past to some EU regulation with…

I largely agree with you but want to highlight a few points.

> Apple doesn't have a single, consistent opinion when it comes to openness and EU regulation.

But it does have a greedy leader who can and does override everyone else.

https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/24/apple-exec-phil-schiller-t...

> Apple is 165 000 people. That's a lot of people. A lot more people than comment regularly on HN

How do you know the HN numbers? I’m not doubting you, I’m curious about the data.

> and look at us! We don't agree about anything.

At the same time, anyone can join HN. There’s no “culture fit” or anything like that. It is possible to have a larger difference of ideas in a smaller pool of people.

> AFS (apple filesystem)

APFS, not AFS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_File_System

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Waayy back in 2009 we had Bump [1], which allowed transfer between devices and later web apps as well – by banging your phone against the spacebar. It worked 98% of the time and was faster than AirDrop is today, even though we only had 3G. Google acquired it and immediately killed it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_(application)

What's sad is what largely replaced device to device transfers was just messaging apps. But messaging apps compress media horribly. iMessage isn't so bad, but send a photo through almost anything else and all meta data is stripped, and the image resolution and bitrate are the absolute bare minimum to look ok on a phone. But try to print it and it will be horrible.

Stripping the metadata on a photo is probably a feature though. For privacy reasons the default should most likely be that location, device info etc are taken out of photos that might go viral or be shared beyond what the original user intended.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Ever since the iphone apple has been trying to make you believe files aren't a thing.

Im not sure if Android has caught up but the iOS file explorer app is excellent.

Whenever I'm forced to help with iPhones, I'm baffled how hard everything is. And I had my own iPhones previously. Download a file, unpack it and open in an app is an exercise is frustration, and that's just hoping that I will find the file due it being newest. Working with directories and old files properly, like on Android, I'm not sure if its even possible on iOS. And all that with a crappy keyboard with hidden numbers and special symbols, making searching even harder.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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This is great! I notice that’s on the ditto blog. I can see why the ditto developers are watching with keen eyes! I have a modern digital camera complete with wifi and bluetooth. There’s an app that lets me connect the camera to my iPhone for monitoring, remote shooting and copying photos. Very useful! But right now the only way for the camera to connect to my phone is through some super complicated song and dance, i…

I really hope we see a resurgence in local-first networking. My wife and I can't even play a LAN game of Age of Empires 2 on a plane unless the flight has wifi.

AoE2 is not known for great network code, so I think the hopes for that specifically are pretty slim.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Yes, even "dumb" phones could share files with computers back then. Apple users have no idea how much harm their masters have done to society.

And you could tether, though it was complicated. And slow (1xRTT)

I still do this regularly because bluetooth uses less energy both for the laptop and for the phone, than wi-fi.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Shoutout to https://localsend.org/ - it can even open a local webserver if needed.

LocalSend requires the devices to be on the same local network. TFA is about file sharing using a direct device-to-device wireless connection.

We've had ad-hoc WiFi for about 3 decades, but that requires a level of device access that no gatekeeper will agree to anymore.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Despite others thinking you’re crazy, I think you are right. I remember the start of the smartphone era where many of my relatives switched to iPhone because "you know where the pictures are going and where to find them". The worst offender was my dad that had a Samsung phone running windows phone 6 (with an actual start menu) where you had to dig through folders to find jpeg files.

Weird story...people open up their gallery app and there are the pictures. Never have been different. What did your relatives doing?

That's the thing, this was the very beginning of the smartphone era, 2007-2009. UX was not fleshed out yet. Conventions neither. Simple gallery apps were an Apple and iPhone thing.

There were cases where phones were not consistent. Pictures from the camera, or saved from MMS, or saved from the Web, or screenshots, did not all go in the same place. Just like you would have on a desktop :) I don't remember that well the pre-2010 android, but it had some issues too.

Even to this day, WhatsApp saves photos to the gallery, but in its own album. At least on iOS those are part of the regular gallery so you'll always find them (an album is just a "tag" on the photo). Android has a dedicated album too, but the picture set is distinct from the main picture gallery. So are screenshots. That's more control and power, but utterly confusing for older people. Younger relatives are fine, older fail to navigate around this and find "the picture your auntie sent to me through whatsapp". Yup, it's there, but not in the main camera roll.

This is what I mean by "you know where the pictures are going".

PS: Apple botched the UX of the gallery app in the last two iOS versions so much that even I, a young tech-inclined person, loses my way around. So do my relatives. They're sorta catching up /s

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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What are the chances that this is made possible because of the DMA?

0, this is reverse engineered AirDrop protocol. Implementations have been around for a while, eg: https://github.com/seemoo-lab/opendrop

If implemntations have been around for a while but it only happened now, then it's 99% chance that's it's Apple backpedalling and trying to weasel their way around DMA.

They got smoked in court, see ruling at https://ec.europa.eu/competition/digital_markets_act/cases/2...

    5.4.8. Implementation timing
    (245) Apple should provide effective interoperability with the P2P Wi-Fi connection
    feature by implementing the measures for Wi-Fi Aware 4.0 in the next major iOS
    release, i.e. iOS 19, at the latest, and for Wi-Fi Aware 5.0 in the next iOS release at
    the latest nine months following the introduction of the Wi-Fi Aware 5.0
    specification.
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