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Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by Lord-Jobo »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #182
rs186 wrote: post #86

Unless I am horribly mistaken, using Firefox is an intentional choice by a vanishing group of people. If you are just a little bit less careful or determined, you would likely be using chrome or a chrome variant, definitely not Firefox. These users are choosing a browser that has slightly worse performance, has fewer features (e.g. WebUSB) and is seeing more problems with Cloudflare/Google captcha every day. All of t…

On Linux and Windows it is IMO the best browser and it's pretty good on MacOS too, although Safari is still my fave on that platform. It's stable, got good UI and light on resources. The excellent adblocking is a huge feature. For the average Joe user, they might want some AI features but most techy users have already got that figured out.

Everything but web games which almost always perform better on chrome. Probably not Firefox’s fault 95% of the time though

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by codyb »

I use Firefox Developer Edition as my daily driver and it's a nice experience. I think there's an AI option in the settings I have turned off? Wolud

I don't see how AI would improve my experience, although I have found myself using the fast answer AI summaries in DuckDuckGo a bit more over time.

My initial inclination is to root for a less busy browser.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by notepad0x90 »

roncesvalles wrote: post #345
notepad0x90 wrote: post #110

I think "nobody i know" and nobody are different things. Mozilla wants more firefox users. there are "AI browsers" and ai integrated browsing is becoming more and more the norm. Mozilla is doing the right thing here, the features are there but unobtrusive. But down the road, I fully expect Mozilla to do whatever they have to do to remain in the game. Their small market share is hurting the entire internet, they can't…

You didn't even read 6 sentences into TFA. 52/52 of the closed-beta testers of this feature want it removed.

that doesn't matter, grandma isn't a beta tester. I can tell you first-hand a lot of people are installing these ai browsers, even in enterprise environments. You get ahead of it or get left behind.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by junon »

everdrive wrote: post #4

Does anyone want AI in anything? I can see the value of navigating to an LLM and asking specific questions, but generally speaking I don't want that just running / waiting on my machine as I open a variety of applications. It's a huge waste of resources and for most normal people is an edge case.

I can't even open Adobe Acrobat anymore. There's AI shit in almost every corner and toolbar of the app.

This shit makes me want to stop interacting with tech altogether and live on a farm. I don't know how much more of this I can take.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by enraged_camel »

roncesvalles wrote: post #345
notepad0x90 wrote: post #110

I think "nobody i know" and nobody are different things. Mozilla wants more firefox users. there are "AI browsers" and ai integrated browsing is becoming more and more the norm. Mozilla is doing the right thing here, the features are there but unobtrusive. But down the road, I fully expect Mozilla to do whatever they have to do to remain in the game. Their small market share is hurting the entire internet, they can't…

You didn't even read 6 sentences into TFA. 52/52 of the closed-beta testers of this feature want it removed.

Who exactly are those closed-beta testers, and what makes you think they are representative of the average user?

Before accusing people of not having read TFA maybe you should do some critical thinking yourself.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by rng-concern »

clueless wrote: post #368
roncesvalles wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't even read 6 sentences into TFA. 52/52 of the closed-beta testers of this feature want it removed.

how is 52 users representative??

If they are purely random, it's damning. Flip a coin until you get heads 52 times in a row.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by notepad0x90 »

isodev wrote: post #267
notepad0x90 wrote: post #110

I think "nobody i know" and nobody are different things. Mozilla wants more firefox users. there are "AI browsers" and ai integrated browsing is becoming more and more the norm. Mozilla is doing the right thing here, the features are there but unobtrusive. But down the road, I fully expect Mozilla to do whatever they have to do to remain in the game. Their small market share is hurting the entire internet, they can't…

> "AI browsers" and ai integrated browsing is becoming more and more the norm Not really, outside influencers looking to capture the next hot thing (like Mozilla) and tech-bros, there is no living soul on this planet that wants or is trying to normalise AI browsers.

I myself can see using that some day. I was dismissive of AI-assisted search results, now I'm back to using google search most of the time over duckduckgo, because of quality. I don't want to be forced to abandon firefox down the road. Every feature they add,from pocket,vpns, to this, is optional. Just don't use it. Let firefox get more marketshare. It's the only Google alternative.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by orbital-decay »

isodev wrote: post #337
jajuuka wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another example of "nobody I know" and not nobody.

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>It also echoes sentiments expressed in any other medium or social you check.

That tells more about your socials than anything else. I personally know plenty of non-technical folks using ChatGPT (because it's the only buzzword they know) to augment their browsing in an awkward manner. They want utility, they don't give a damn about anyone's sentiments.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by Bender »

I can only speak for myself. I do not want yet more bloat added to applications. With that bloat comes more vulnerabilities, maybe intentional or otherwise. "Ooopsie did we leak your ______ to the world? Gosh, we're so sorry." Enough already, just be a web browser. Keep it simple with the only dependency being the site I am visiting.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Post by esskay »

egorfine wrote: post #356

I think they're damned if they do ("who the fuck wants AI in everything") and damned if they don't ("Mozilla is so irrelevant they didn't even tried the AI race")

It's a browser. A browser does not need AI baked in. Extensions/addons? Sure, go for it, the more the merrier. But forcing it on people was always going to be a daft move, especially for Mozilla who have completely lost their whole "We're not as bad as Google" schtick over the last few years.
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