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I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by hulitu »

jwr wrote: post #281

This is all correct. I've been running my own servers for many years now, keeping things simple and saving a lot of money and time (setting anything up in AWS or Azure is horribly complicated and the UIs are terrible). One thing to remember is that you do need to treat your servers as "cloud servers" in the sense that you should be able to re-generate your entire setup from your configuration at any time, given a bun…

> If you insist on using cloud (virtual) servers, do yourself a favor and use DigitalOcean, it is simple and direct and will let you keep your sanity. I use DO as a third-tier disaster recovery scenario, with terraform for bringing up the cluster and the same ansible setup for setting everything up.

This is the general direction in which society is going. There is no dialogue. You are either with us or against us. Sad.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by adammarples »

veqq wrote: post #126
adammarples wrote: post #111

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No, x literally means multiply. It doesn't somehow also mean divide. They should use the percent sign, it's what it is for. 10x my costs means 10 x mycost, it's literally an equation

It's just inversion, like 2 to the power of 2 or 2 to the power of negative 2. These negative words inverse it just the same. You may dislike it, but millions of people have spoken this way for a long time. > x literally means multiply And some use the dot operator or even 2(3) or (2)(3). When programming, we tend to use *.

Nobody says times to mean divide. The word "negative" is what is doing the inversion for you in your example.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by chrisandchris »

pnutjam wrote: post #325
maccard wrote: post #289

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Even without that, you are still at the heart of it accessing over a SAN like interface with some sort of local cache. Getting an actual local drive on AWS the performance is night and day

Sure, you can work around it; but it blows up the savings alot of people expect when they don't include this in their math. Also, SAN is often faster then local disk if you have a local SAN.

How is a SAN faster than a local disk? Any references / recommendations?

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by kimgray123 »

Sebb767 wrote: post #16

I dislike those black and white takes a lot. It's absolutely true that most startups that just run an EC2 instance will save a lot of cash going to Hetzner, Linode, Digital Ocean or whatever. I do host at Hetzner myself and so do a lot of my clients. That being said, the cloud does have a lot of advantages: - You're getting a lot of services readily available. Need offsite backups? A few clicks. Managed database? A f…

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Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by kimgray123 »

Sebb767 wrote: post #16

I dislike those black and white takes a lot. It's absolutely true that most startups that just run an EC2 instance will save a lot of cash going to Hetzner, Linode, Digital Ocean or whatever. I do host at Hetzner myself and so do a lot of my clients. That being said, the cloud does have a lot of advantages: - You're getting a lot of services readily available. Need offsite backups? A few clicks. Managed database? A f…

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Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by ROOFLES »

t_mann wrote: post #371
ROOFLES wrote: post #252

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Our infra runs on 2 12-Year old shitbox Poweredges. so yeah most is just overkill.

Cool! It's still purpose-built hardware, but cool to hear such stories. Do you use colocation in a data center?

No we don't. Demand isn't that high, we don't need to serve thousands of users. It's just manuals, firmware downloads, datasheets etc. For customers.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by matt-p »

hansvm wrote: post #381
matt-p wrote: post #312

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Well, is "a ton" a level that can fit in a dedicated server or many? Just looking at https://serversearcher.com you've got 72TB of storage on 10Gb pipe for $360 or so a month: 128 GB RAM 6c/12t E-2276G 2X 512GB NVME + 4X 18.0TB HDD 300TB / 10Gbps

Just a few PB, and sharding it across servers is fine. It looks like all the disk-optimized examples on that site (still much more expensive than paying for raw disk, barely 5x cheaper than S3, when a disk-optimized colo solution only has ~3% overhead over the disks themselves) are through some no-name provider "HostKey". I suppose beggars can't be choosers, but in the contexst of storage (where systemic failures sho…

I mean on that site you also have clouvider who are cheaper $423.79/mo for 72TB including bandwidth, compute and two extra boot SSDs. I just searched by a minimum disk size of 12TB.

Colo will be cheaper I'm sure but it's fundamentally a different comparison you have to pay for drive failures, networking, bandwidth, remote hands, network switches and so on and so forth.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by hansvm »

matt-p wrote: post #397
hansvm wrote: post #381

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Just a few PB, and sharding it across servers is fine. It looks like all the disk-optimized examples on that site (still much more expensive than paying for raw disk, barely 5x cheaper than S3, when a disk-optimized colo solution only has ~3% overhead over the disks themselves) are through some no-name provider "HostKey". I suppose beggars can't be choosers, but in the contexst of storage (where systemic failures sho…

I mean on that site you also have clouvider who are cheaper $423.79/mo for 72TB including bandwidth, compute and two extra boot SSDs. I just searched by a minimum disk size of 12TB. Colo will be cheaper I'm sure but it's fundamentally a different comparison you have to pay for drive failures, networking, bandwidth, remote hands, network switches and so on and so forth.

Interesting, not sure how I missed that (edit: I missed the 4x on the drive count). Thanks for mentioning it.

And, yes it's a different comparison, but that's why I was asking; I was curious if it was even viable (and initial searches had indicated it wasn't). 4-5x cheaper than S3 as a substrate is potentially workable.

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Post by samarthr1 »

chrisandchris wrote: post #393
pnutjam wrote: post #325

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Sure, you can work around it; but it blows up the savings alot of people expect when they don't include this in their math. Also, SAN is often faster then local disk if you have a local SAN.

How is a SAN faster than a local disk? Any references / recommendations?

I would expect by the magic of parallelism?

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by immibis »

chrisandchris wrote: post #393
pnutjam wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, you can work around it; but it blows up the savings alot of people expect when they don't include this in their math. Also, SAN is often faster then local disk if you have a local SAN.

How is a SAN faster than a local disk? Any references / recommendations?

Probably comparing a HDD SAN (with data spread across many drives) to a single local HDD.
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