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I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by pbnjeh »

His prior dishwasher videos rescued my parents' 30-ish year old dishwasher -- one they had previously been advised to avoid replacing as long as possible, as modern units don't have the same construction quality.

Following his cleaning instructions and, subsequently, his usage advice, did the trick.

Regarding the latter, notably adding the recommended prewash dose of detergent in addition to the main dose, and running the kitchen sink's hot tap until the water is fully hot before starting the dishwasher. Here in the US with our lower power capacity, resulting in dishwasher heating elements being restricted to lower power to avoid circuit breaker trips, when the dishwasher is correctly connected to the hot water line (typically, of the kitchen sink), doing this results in a hotter prewash and often also wash.

This all really does make a substantial difference.

Take the time to watch his dishwasher videos. If you struggle at all with the performance of yours, you won't regret doing so.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by buzzardbait »

koolba wrote: post #228
woodpanel wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've micro-optimized my dishwasher setup to have all my 100+ pods and other in-bulk dishwashing-chemicals stored in a compartment between my two dishwashers. I'm also firmly in the camp of having a flat cutlery compartment at the top and not that inefficient, and uncivilized, scarring, basket in bottom section. Until seeing that video I thought I was crazy. I've found my master.

You have two dishwashers in one kitchen?

Just in case one of them asks for a divorce

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by db48x »

stavros wrote: post #340
db48x wrote: post #331

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This is an aphorism, not a truth. But it’s true that dish washing machines are often badly designed, especially when there are multiple opaque options that can be turned on and off. Consider the example presented in this very video, where the “Eco” cycle uses more water and more energy than the normal cycle and where the “High Temp” option adds more wash cycles as well as heating the water for longer. No amount of de…

I don't understand, though. You make the point that the user needs to read about the machine, but the very fact that the user needs to read about the machine points to bad design. A well-designed machine wouldn't have called a mode that user more energy and more water "eco".

I didn’t say that the machine was well designed. I said exactly the opposite! The very fact that it is not well designed means that you cannot rely on your intuition when operating the machine. If you do not have some idea of how the machine operates then you will operate it badly. In the specific case the video examines, operating it badly means blindly operating it in the default mode when a different mode demonstrably works better.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by stavros »

db48x wrote: post #393
stavros wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand, though. You make the point that the user needs to read about the machine, but the very fact that the user needs to read about the machine points to bad design. A well-designed machine wouldn't have called a mode that user more energy and more water "eco".

I didn’t say that the machine was well designed. I said exactly the opposite! The very fact that it is not well designed means that you cannot rely on your intuition when operating the machine. If you do not have some idea of how the machine operates then you will operate it badly. In the specific case the video examines, operating it badly means blindly operating it in the default mode when a different mode demonstr…

Oh, then we agree, we need to make up for bad design with lots of work (in learning how the machine works).

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by rpdillon »

stavros wrote: post #340
db48x wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an aphorism, not a truth. But it’s true that dish washing machines are often badly designed, especially when there are multiple opaque options that can be turned on and off. Consider the example presented in this very video, where the “Eco” cycle uses more water and more energy than the normal cycle and where the “High Temp” option adds more wash cycles as well as heating the water for longer. No amount of de…

I don't understand, though. You make the point that the user needs to read about the machine, but the very fact that the user needs to read about the machine points to bad design. A well-designed machine wouldn't have called a mode that user more energy and more water "eco".

Right, and bad design is all around us every day. Learning about how your equipment works is a good idea!

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by stavros »

rpdillon wrote: post #395
stavros wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand, though. You make the point that the user needs to read about the machine, but the very fact that the user needs to read about the machine points to bad design. A well-designed machine wouldn't have called a mode that user more energy and more water "eco".

Right, and bad design is all around us every day. Learning about how your equipment works is a good idea!

I agree, but telling an overworked parent because their dishes are dirty because they didn't take the time to deeply understand the mechanism of their appliance doesn't tend to go down well.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by jonathanlydall »

conductr wrote: post #383
jonathanlydall wrote: post #376

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I know you said this in jest, but I actually personally do try to not leave little pieces of food on my plate as it saves having to scrape it off later, but I've never even suggested to my wife that she do the same and even if my kids weren't only 3 and 5 years old, I don't think I'd bother asking them.

I’m so glad my wife and I are aligned on the manual rinse thing as I don’t think I could suffer silently. We’ve had enough silly disagreements about other things like how to properly load the dishwasher. After a few decades, she does it her way and I do it my way. The dishes come out clean for both of us so we both deal. I think we both grew up in households that did full manual washes most of the time even though th…

Wife and I are like minded when it comes to scraping or rinsing plates before they go into the dishwasher, fortunately.

I don’t force myself to eat all my food, but will typically do so as I tend to serve less than I might need and add a bit more after if I’m still hungry.

What I mean is that while still eating I (kind of pedantically) normally scrape my plate quite clean such that there is nothing to rinse, like every grain of rice for example, in the interests of not having to rinse off anything before it goes in the dishwasher. This is the thing I haven’t bothered to ask my wife to also do.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

dustbunny wrote: post #290
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #204

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My Samsung bespoke combo washer dryer has that feature. It uses less detergent than we are used to so my wife uses pods, but I think this is better un general since the clothes come out clean even if they don’t smell like detergent. So not only do I not need to load detergent, I don’t need to transfer to the dryer. Still have to load sanitizer in unfortunately.

I heard the dryer in those is slow and breakable. Does it take forever to dry stuff?

Mine is vented, not heat pump, so the drying time doesn’t change from other vented solutions.

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Spare_account wrote: post #322
derekbreden wrote: post #294

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In the few months I’ve had the Samsung All-in-One my experience has been at least a 50% increase in time spent drying compared to an LG stack I had previously. Also, when complete, if you do get to it within 5 to 10 minutes of finishing, it feels damp, but that clears on its own after 15 to 30 minutes or so if it sitting in the dryer with the door automatically opened. Very pleased with the experience personally. I a…

Does the Samsung use the same drying method as the LG did? Older dryers (that needed a vent) were inefficient, but faster at drying. They constantly pumped damp, heated air out of the vent. Modern condensing dryers keep the heat in the system for a more energy efficient drying cycle but the condensing process is slower.

Samsung has both heat pump (the one talked about above) and vented (similar to normal dryers) versions. LG doesn’t have a vented version yet. Condensers are slower than heat pumps, if you don’t have a vent and/or a 240V outlet, heat pump is the way to go. I personally chose a vented one because it was replacing existing machines. In NYC, heat pumps are more popular since a lot of apartments don’t come with vents or 240V (and definitely in the UK where they put the washer/dryer in the kitchen, you also see these all over Japan, all heat pump versions).

Re: I was right about dishwasher pods and now I can prove it [video]

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

db48x wrote: post #285
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #211

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Modern dishwashers, especially in Europe, are using heat pumps as well. They don’t really benefit from the extra voltage and watts anymore.

Sure, but most people don’t have a modern dishwasher. It’s an appliance that lasts 20 to 30 years ergo most people have old dishwashers that were manufactured decades ago.

Ya, but eventually the new tech will take over and we will be talking about very different things. Even if you just consider new builds, or hundreds of millions of Chinese buying their first dishwasher ever. Also, lots of utility districts offer incentives to upgrade to more efficient appliances.
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