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Post by Levitz »

jacquesm wrote: post #389
Levitz wrote: post #264

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Not putting the focus in accessibility is not the same as cutting those people off. I think I get your point, really, because someone who needs this kind of aid and doesn't get it does definitely feel cut off and usage of everyday devices becomes and everyday battle. We are not going to disagree there. But surely there can be a point in which there are larger problems than that Linux reached 5% adoption this year in…

That whole way of thinking isn't appropriate. 5% is an insane number of people, when you are that large these things are no longer optional. The fact that we have an effective tech duopoly is not important at all. If the market were split between 20 5% players they too would have to ensure that their devices are accessible to all comers. The fact that 95% is split between two parties does nothing to change the respon…

>That whole way of thinking isn't appropriate. 5% is an insane number of people, when you are that large these things are no longer optional.

And hardware compatibility issues are? The fact that orders of magnitude more people don't use Linux at all, disabled or not, because of lacking features or usability is optional?

If 5% of people is an insane number of people, surely usability for them all is more important than for a fraction of that? And again, this is not a product sold by a corporation. Leave features behind and adoption goes down, then you get no accessibility features at all. If you want more accessibility features, you want more developers. For that you want more usage.

Re: YouTube is taking down videos on performing nonstandard Windows 11 installs

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Post by IAmBroom »

breve wrote: post #2

The solution is to run Linux. KDE is a good desktop environment: https://kde.org/ 90% of Windows games run on Linux: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45736925 LibreOffice is an okay office suite (good enough for my purposes): https://www.libreoffice.org/ GIMP is a good image editor: https://www.gimp.org/ VLC is a good media player: https://www.videolan.org/vlc/

How fresh and original! Someone making a joke in a thread about Windows, suggesting that everyone abandon Windows for Linux.

Well, I am certainly chuckling now. That is a joke I have never heard before, but I get it! How witty you are.

Tee hee.

Re: YouTube is taking down videos on performing nonstandard Windows 11 installs

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Post by larrik »

mrguyorama wrote: post #379
nonethewiser wrote: post #289

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Woah so Riot broke League on Linux? I guess they probably did the math but that seems like a bold move.

Why would it be a "bold move"? Linux gaming population is damn near zero, they do not provide a higher profit margin like mac gamers would, and the documented evidence is that supporting Linux users is obnoxious because they are rude and entitled but not actually that much better at providing feedback. Epic Games bought out rocket league and turned off a native linux build and faced no repercussions. Instead they mad…

Not sure that's fair, given most Linux gamers look like Windows gamers to the metrics.

That said, devices like the SteamDeck run games on Linux (and that's without considering that every Android game ever is technically running on Linux too).

Let's face it though, PC gaming is already small enough these vs the consoles, that further splitting the marked isn't going to make sense for a lot of companies.

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Post by IAmBroom »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #353
jpalawaga wrote: post #302

One thing I do not understand about HN and other online tech communities is how much they hype up linux as some paragon of usability and ease of use, when it's just obviously not the case. "You don't need windows for gaming, 90% of games work on linux!" -- except the 10% that DON'T are all of the new, massive titles that people want to play. It's like saying "90% of the gears in the car work fine, just not 1st gear".…

I was with you until "essentially lying." That's not fair. You can disagree - but calling people liars who express good faith beliefs is uncalled for. Many people genuinely believe that Linux is the better desktop OS. But yeah, I run Windows as my daily-driver for pretty much the reasons you give.

OK, they aren't lying. They're just saying untruthful things to support their cause.

Linux is not a 100% replacement for Windows, and the reverse is equally true. LibreOffice is not MS Office except for being open-source. Your pocket tool is not functionally equivalent to a full toolbox. A turducken is not a pheasant. Etc.

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Post by IAmBroom »

naikrovek wrote: post #197
mumber_typhoon wrote: post #148

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Windows and macOS will happily do everything they can to take your money and keep you in their ecosystem but shitting on them is a crime ?

no, of course not. I swear to God, reading comprehension among Linux fans falls lower and lower every year. shitting on them makes anything you say about a competing operating system appear like fully biased opinion, rather than fact. if you want people who you have not already captured to listen to you, you must do your best to appear unbiased. shitting on anything is 100% bias. and if you have opinions like that, h…

You're using reason to argue with a fanatic.

Let them go; they're on a roll.

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Post by Lendal »

fukka42 wrote: post #250
Lendal wrote: post #141

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Manufacturing and automation is another big one. Think about a water plant that is air-gapped but needs computer automation software to run. These things are everywhere, in every town that has indoor plumbing and sewer. The specialized software that automates these plants only runs on Windows. It relies on industrial hardware and touchscreens that are designed for use in harsh outdoor environments. All of these types…

Can you explain why you think Linux needs the internet any more than windows does? Are you perhaps not aware of the millions of embedded Linux installations that never see the internet?

After rereading, it sounds like I meant for the two sentences to be related, but I didn't mean it that way. I was referring to the fact of Microsoft trying to force people to connect to the Internet before they can install Windows, or sign in with a Microsoft account in corporate infrastructure scenarios where that makes no sense, and so customers are forced to use Linux instead, but that's a complication being added to their overall system for external reasons.
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