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> I think, EU could only achieve that a non-EU-based company leaves EU. Exactly, also, the US would prevent that geopolitically.
> also, the US would prevent that geopolitically. Everybody keeps saying that Trump is eroding US power etc. etc. Are they all lying or is the EU just too chicken to actually do it when it comes up? According to the TACO principle it goes the other way, right?
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Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B
#392Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mobile apps mobile app fraud empties life savings accounts. I agree there should be personal accountability, but that clearly hasn't been working. Installing an app shouldn't eliminate 30 years of life savings.
How is this related to app store fees? No, paying a 30% fee on all transactions does not make you 10x safer than paying a 3% fee
For small developers, like myself, this is great, because I don't have to put a large upfront capital to pay Apple to audit my app.
If 30% isn't the right number, what is the right number to pay for app store infra, payments, QA services, global tax audits and collection, global licensing limits, etc?
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#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mobile apps mobile app fraud empties life savings accounts. I agree there should be personal accountability, but that clearly hasn't been working. Installing an app shouldn't eliminate 30 years of life savings.
If a bank cannot secure their mobile payments app without requiring the banning of all other apps from the platform, maybe it's the bank that should be shipping their own secure device.
Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B
#394I find headlines like this much more appropriate when placed in terms of days of revenue: "Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near 2 days of revenue!" For somebody that makes the median income, of about $50k, this is a fine of $273 for years of largescale systematic abusive behavior, done for profit.
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> I find headlines like this much more appropriate when placed in terms of days of revenue: "Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near 2 days of revenue!" I feel like fines aren't even an appropriate remedy for this. They're both inherently arbitrary and not something that actually fixes it. And that combination gives governments a perverse incentive, because they get $2B to put in their own pockets…
Fines can work. We should continue fining them one day of revenue every day until compliance occurs.
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Fines can work. We should continue fining them one day of revenue every day until compliance occurs.
1% of annual revenue per week until the problem is fixed would absolutely have them adjusting policies.
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#397> “developers were overcharged by the difference between a 17.5% commission for app purchases and the commission Apple charged, which Kent’s lawyers said was usually 30%.” > “The CAT also ruled that app developers passed on 50% of the overcharge to consumers.” And that's why I stopped buying Apple products - ultimately it is the end user that pays for everything. Apple exploits both developers and its consumers.
In which situation does the end user not pay for everything? Even a fine or a tax on a company ends rolled up in the price paid by the end user. Same thing with programs paid for by the government. It’s the taxpayers who foot the bill. I’m kinda split on the whole Apple situation. I’m firmly in the camp of “monopoly bad”, but apparently people are fine with apple’s practices. It’s not like they have to buy an iPhone.
New costs are covered by a combination of a cut from the seller's profits and an increase in the buyer's price, and the proportion of each varies greatly depending on economic factors.
For example, imagine you offer that ugly sweater in an online marketplace. Can you just charge whatever you like (cost + desired profit)? No way. You can only charge as much as someone will pay, and that may work out to be a loss - for less than your costs. If somehow your costs go up - you spill something on it and need to dry clean it - can you just charge more? You can try, but there's no reason buyers will pay you more because your costs have increased; they don't care. Now imagine an inventory of 1,000 sweaters to sell - you might get lucky with one desperate buyer, but it's even harder to raise prices when you need 1,000 buyers.
Companies sell some things for huge markups, such as a bottle of soda, and for losses - even if the cost is $500, $100 is better than nothing. Think of sales and clearance sales.
Like you, companies price things to maximize revenue, where R = price x volume. Theoretically, they already price things for maximum revenue before they incurred additional costs, so how can they raise the price?
One way is to shift consumer perspective by blaming X for the price increase - government is a popular excuse, or oil prices - saying they must pass on the additional cost, and persuading some consumers that they must or ought to pay more. But when they say that the new tax will have to be be passed on to the consumer, they are full of $#!+ - when they buy the CEO a new private jet, do they pass that on too? - because they also can and do pass on the cost to their shareholders.
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> Imagine the response if the uk tried to break up apple This right here is why they need to be broken up. Are we supposed to have a company more powerful than a country?
It is not just Apple. The UK is going after every company with their porn filtering laws. Imagine the response if people did not stand up to their tyranny and the Uk kept pushing their agendas further and further. This is why the UK needs to be broken up.
But censorship laws and antitrust laws are two different things. It's possible for the same country to get one thing wrong while simultaneously getting a different thing right.
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> This must be an essential requirement for all PC-like devices. Why are you excluding phone-like devices? That's where it's currently the bigger problem. You can't do it at all on iPhones and Android devices malign you with locked boot loaders, attestation failures and undocumented blob drivers tied to an ancient kernel version. > People in different regions have very different average income. As long as manufacture…
> Why are you excluding phone-like devices? Actually not, for me *smart*phones are PC-like devices. Smartphone, especially modern one, is obviously a miniature personal computer. > It's discriminating against the poor people of any country that also happens to have rich people in it. I think, poor people are discriminated in every country generally if they need to buy products designed by an international company. Wh…
So if you make $20,000 and live in a country with a median income of $40,000 then you should pay higher prices than someone who makes $200,000 and lives in a country with a median income of $10,000? Why?
Also, that's not really how prices work for non-monopolies. If everyone can profitably produce something and sell it for $100 in e.g. South America and then you try to charge $200 in the US or Europe, your competitors are just going to take your customers by charging $100 there too. The ability to engage in price discrimination shenanigans is evidence of an uncompetitive market.
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Because the 30% is "opt-in" not automatic, the $1m threshold applies to all your apps and associated accounts apps combined, and $1m is just not a big target anymore considering 8400 people on $10/month subscriptions will get you over that line. And of course, when they announced this big discount it was reported to apply to about 5% of actual IAP spending, which would make the average commission fee being paid aroun…
> $1m is just not a big target anymore Yes it is. The percentage of developers in the App Store who make more than $1 million per year is tiny. According to this analysis[1], it's a single digit percentage. Hardly anybody pays 30%. [1]: https://sensortower.com/blog/app-store-revenue-share-analysi...
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