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Engineer : hey I made this cool thing that can help people in public safety roles process information and make decisions more efficiently! It gives false positives but you save more time than it takes less time to weed through them. Someone nearby : well what if they use it to replace human thinking instead of augment it? Engineer : well they would be ridiculous. Nobody would ever think that’s a good idea. Marketing…
Refer to the post office scandal in Britain and the robodebt debacle in Australia. The authorities are just itching to have their brains replaced with by dumb computer logic, without regard for community safety and wellbeing.
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The article is about omnialert, not palantir, but don’t let the facts get in the way of your soapbox rant.
Same fallible systems, same end goal of mass surveillance.
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#393What is happening in the world. There should be some liability for this but nothing will happen.
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You can't put a corporation in prison. But a person you can. This is one of the big problems. The people making the decisions at corporations are shielded from personal consequences by the corporation. A corporation can be shut down but it rarely happens. Even when Boeing knowingly caused the deaths of hundreds (especially the second crash was entirely preventable if they would have been honest after the first one),…
> Even when Boeing knowingly caused the deaths Since corporations aren't people, Boeing didn't know anything. Did someone at Boeing have all of that knowledge?
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You can't put a corporation in prison. But a person you can. This is one of the big problems. The people making the decisions at corporations are shielded from personal consequences by the corporation. A corporation can be shut down but it rarely happens. Even when Boeing knowingly caused the deaths of hundreds (especially the second crash was entirely preventable if they would have been honest after the first one),…
> Even when Boeing knowingly caused the deaths Since corporations aren't people, Boeing didn't know anything. Did someone at Boeing have all of that knowledge?
Don't forget that hiding MCAS from pilots and the FAA was a conscious decision. It wasn't something that 'just happened'. The decision to not make it depend on redundant AoA sensors by default too.
My point is, I can imagine that the MCAS suicidal side-effect was something unexpected (it was a technical failure edge-case in a specific and rare scenario) and I get that not anticipating it could have been a mistake, not a conscious decision. But after the first crash they should have owned up to it and not waited for a second crash.
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> Even when Boeing knowingly caused the deaths Since corporations aren't people, Boeing didn't know anything. Did someone at Boeing have all of that knowledge?
I'm sure the top leadership was well aware of what happened after the first crash yes. They should have immediately gone public and would have prevented the second crash. Don't forget that hiding MCAS from pilots and the FAA was a conscious decision. It wasn't something that 'just happened'. The decision to not make it depend on redundant AoA sensors by default too. My point is, I can imagine that the MCAS suicidal s…
Extenuating circumstances, at best.
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#397the proofs are there.
philosophers mulled this over long ago and made clear statements as to why ai cant work
though not that for a second do I misdunderstand that it is "all in" for ai, and we all get to go for the 100 trillion dollar ride to hell.
can we have truely awsome automation for manufacturing and mundane beurocratic tasks?, fuck ya we can!
but anything that requires understanding, is forever out of reach, which unfortunatly is also lacking in the people pushing, this thing, now
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#398Earlier quoted context omitted.
Engineer : hey I made this cool thing that can help people in public safety roles process information and make decisions more efficiently! It gives false positives but you save more time than it takes less time to weed through them. Someone nearby : well what if they use it to replace human thinking instead of augment it? Engineer : well they would be ridiculous. Nobody would ever think that’s a good idea. Marketing…
Nice fantasy, but the reality is that the "people in public safety roles" love using flimsy pretenses to harass and abuse vulnerable populations. I wish it was just overeager sales and marketing, but you're view of humanity is way too naive especially as masked thugs are disappearing people in the street as we type.
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I was swatted once. Girlfriend's house. Someone called 911 and said they'd seen me kill a neighbor, drag their body into the house, and was now holding my gf's family hostage. We answered the screams at the door to guns pointed at our faces, and countless cops. It was explained to us that this was the restrained version. We got a knock. Unfortunately, I understand why these responses can't be neutered too much. You j…
It doesn't make sense. If you were holding people hostage, you'd have demands for their release. Windows could be peeked into. If you dragged a dead body into a house, there'd be evidence of that.
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Its likely procedure that they have to follow (see my other post in this thread.) I hate to say this but I get it. Imagine a scenario happens where they decide "sounds phony. stand down." only for it to be real and people are hurt/killed because the "cops ignored our pleas for help and did nothing." which would be a horrible mistake they could be liable for, never mind the media circus and PR damage. So they treat al…
Maybe we should move beyond binary thinking here. Yeah, it's worth sending someone to investigate but also making some effort to verify who the call is coming from - to get their identity, and to ask them something simple like to describe the house (in this example) so the arriving cops will know they go to the right address. Now of course you can get a description of the house with Google Street Maps, but 911 dispat…
My daughter was swatted, but at the time she lived in a town where the cops weren't militarized goon squads. What happened was two uniformed cops politely knocked on her door, had a chat with her, and asked if they could come in and look around. She allowed them, they thanked her and the issue was resolved.
This is the way. Investigate, even a little, before deploying great force.