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Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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Re: Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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> Microsoft Office usage is highly predictive of lots and lots of other choices. Job sites could do with this as a filter. Even more specifically, ‘Teams’.

I don't mind teams but really do hate outlook.

I like(d) the fat Outlook windows client; it had the set of rules/filters features that corresponded to my needs.

The web client is pants, though.

Re: Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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>I don't think I was ready for how bad it is. Says it's unthinkably bad then proceeds to give only one example. There are several other issues you can list. >the terminal -- the terminal! -- freezes after staying open several days, and you need to kill it and restart it. I wonder when that issue ever happened since I'm always ssh'd into my homelab via the terminal for days and never had to restart it since it never f…

> as long as I keep getting paid, nothing else matters Mindset explains the other users complaint perfectly I guess. I suppose it comes to how one views and feels about work. Take pride in your work? Dont go MS shop. Don't care and are just there to get paid? MS shop. that attitude explains why I can no longer edit calendar evemts in the android app unless I turn the phone sideways, and a deluge of other issues with…

>Mindset explains the other users complaint perfectly I guess.

Yes, how dare SW engineers work to just put food on the table for their families, and not fight your imaginary tech revolution against MS-shops?

> Take pride in your work? Dont go MS shop.

Sorry buddy, but I work the SW equivalent of "putting the fries in the bag", my work has no impact on the tech issues in your life, and I don't live in The Valley, or the US, or some major international tech hub where hip, non-MS jobs fall from trees in order to make an impact, and so MS shops make the brunt of the jobs market where I live. Should I go homeless and hungry just to virtue signal on HN on how righteous I am via your self-defined Russian nesting doll of obscure purity tests?

>that attitude explains why [...]

Hate to break it to you, but some people on HN like you guys in this thread, are so over privileged with your career opportunities, that their delusions take over rationality and common sense views of the reality outside their bubble, and think the rest of the world must conform to your viewpoints or else they're somehow the "evil ones" responsible for the issues you perceive.

By all means feel free to have your own beliefs and values that differ from others, just don't try to virtue signal, judge others, or impose your view on others, as nobody likes such obnoxious arrogant people on their high horse thinking they're on the right side of history and everyone else is wrong. Live and let live, that's my life's mantra.

Re: Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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Cool. I did that with qmail in 1998 on a couple of Ultra 5s. Try managing a calendar or booking resources.

Integrated CalDAV is also available. Not in qmail, however. The patch for that would be large.

Why DAV should be integrated into any SMTPd ?? DAV is some protocol over HTTP - another service, another port. Why any architect want it in same binary or even deployed on same server ?? And even if some "cal" or "address" part is content in email that still processing it is totally different software layer then plain "sending mail" and storing it.

But no, people get self backdoored by using Exchange... Or clolud :) Or AI hosted by someone else...

Re: Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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I’ve definitely noticed a correlation with low regard for labor (h1b abuse). But maybe that’s just a location thing, I’m in California where regard for labor, especially local talent, is non-existent. You know, move fast and break things like nascent tech worker unions and the state itself.

WTF is this even supposed to mean? H1Bs use Microsoft products more than others? Or they do it because they have to…or what?? Please explain yourself.

It’s “do what everyone else does” style of corporate leadership.

“Nobody ever got fired for choosing MSFT” goes hand in hand with “if we don’t exploit the H1B system to get cheap coders who won’t sue us or try to organize then someone else will.”

Using FOSS, hiring citizens, treating employees well, actually innovating and producing great products, all hang together. Sadly, such companies and people are increasingly rare in tech, because the tech oligarchs fund bad people and bad products because they are often greedy egoists whose wealth is derived from being in the right place at the right time, or from what I call “moral arbitrage” (doing things others are too ethical to consider) rather than deriving wealth from actual talent or ingenuity. Ymmv

Re: Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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Not defending Microsoft in any way but my guess of what's happening: * Too few people use Firefox to access Office online, they don't care * Your organization is too small for them to care

> * Too few people use Firefox to access Office online, they don't care It's pretty much the majority of their Linux users. Firefox is often the default browser on many distros due to the Chrome/Chromium data sharing concern. > * Your organization is too small for them to care Then why even have a business tier if not for the support? The result of Microsoft's current stance is simply that users look elsewhere. I men…

> It's pretty much the majority of their Linux users.

Sure, but for heavy users of office 365, how many use Linux to begin with?

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> as long as I keep getting paid, nothing else matters Mindset explains the other users complaint perfectly I guess. I suppose it comes to how one views and feels about work. Take pride in your work? Dont go MS shop. Don't care and are just there to get paid? MS shop. that attitude explains why I can no longer edit calendar evemts in the android app unless I turn the phone sideways, and a deluge of other issues with…

>Mindset explains the other users complaint perfectly I guess. Yes, how dare SW engineers work to just put food on the table for their families, and not fight your imaginary tech revolution against MS-shops? > Take pride in your work? Dont go MS shop. Sorry buddy, but I work the SW equivalent of "putting the fries in the bag", my work has no impact on the tech issues in your life, and I don't live in The Valley, or t…

I don't have the opportunities you're talking about. You misunderstand who I am or what my background is. I don't come from the USA and in fact you literally couldn't pay me to go work in or for the USA. Not in my entire life has that ever been possible. USA has always been a last resort option for me. Not that I have the option, but to even consider it, it would need to be the last option left.

I'm not saying that you cannot work in an MS-shop. I am just saying that the attitudes I see reflected in the comments supporting MS-shops explain why MS-shop output looks the way it does.

Ultimately, it comes down to company culture not individual developers. I wouldn't hold devs accountable for what is a systemic issue, in fact I am grateful there are those devs who don't care about taking pride in their work who can survive in an MS-shop without it draining their reason for being. If not for them, positions in places where taking pride in your work doesn't come at personal cost would be far more competitive.

However, that doesn't mean it isn't worth calling out an emerging pattern of MS-shops being the kind of place incompatible with wanting to take pride in your work.

Re: Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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>Mindset explains the other users complaint perfectly I guess. Yes, how dare SW engineers work to just put food on the table for their families, and not fight your imaginary tech revolution against MS-shops? > Take pride in your work? Dont go MS shop. Sorry buddy, but I work the SW equivalent of "putting the fries in the bag", my work has no impact on the tech issues in your life, and I don't live in The Valley, or t…

I don't have the opportunities you're talking about. You misunderstand who I am or what my background is. I don't come from the USA and in fact you literally couldn't pay me to go work in or for the USA. Not in my entire life has that ever been possible. USA has always been a last resort option for me. Not that I have the option, but to even consider it, it would need to be the last option left. I'm not saying that y…

I’m an American living in the US. Worked at a startup acquired by a very large enterprise and I very much appreciate your attitude over the parent’s comments. I find it incredibly demoralizing that so many people feel the way they do and appreciate those who work for more than a paycheck. I quit my job (thankfully I was in a position that I was able to) because of this attitude being so prevalent.

You want to provide value to your customers and anything getting in the way of that should be a frustration, not something we just accept. Stagnation will lead to decline that is very difficult to reverse. I don’t know what you do, but thank you for your perspective and disposition and for admonishing the above attitude.

Re: Foreign hackers breached a US nuclear weapons plant via SharePoint flaws

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I don't have the opportunities you're talking about. You misunderstand who I am or what my background is. I don't come from the USA and in fact you literally couldn't pay me to go work in or for the USA. Not in my entire life has that ever been possible. USA has always been a last resort option for me. Not that I have the option, but to even consider it, it would need to be the last option left. I'm not saying that y…

I’m an American living in the US. Worked at a startup acquired by a very large enterprise and I very much appreciate your attitude over the parent’s comments. I find it incredibly demoralizing that so many people feel the way they do and appreciate those who work for more than a paycheck. I quit my job (thankfully I was in a position that I was able to) because of this attitude being so prevalent. You want to provide…

> I quit my job (thankfully I was in a position that I was able to)

What about those who are not able to? Because your argument falls flat on tis face once if you remove that part.

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