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Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Post by stinkbeetle » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 8:10 AM UTC

fasbiner wrote: post #382

stinkbeetle wrote: post #380

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> The light is going to go out for all of humanity for all time as part of a centuries old plan for final victory by starting at the most critical link of all in the whole chain of being... canadian routers. This is a fabrication of your own mind which you have now started arguing against.

Tried to understand what you were saying with LLM assistance since I was directly referencing a comment above. The best we could come up with was that you might be confused about how nested comments work and didn't realize there were words written before mine. Deepseek also speculated you might have a mood disorder or an incurable learning disability, but I told it that kind of speculation might seem like a personal…

Not an argument.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Post by incomingpain » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 12:20 PM UTC

aceofspades19 wrote: post #189

incomingpain wrote: post #20

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>As far as I can tell accounts were frozen, not seized. Do you have a reference for donor accounts being seized? When it comes to civil rights like Section 8 of the charter. There's no such thing as 'frozen' They were searched, seized, and later returned. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/td-bank-freezes-two-a... You have to go back to figure out how the government knew what bank accounts to seize. They didnt go…

>The source of the seizures was the gofundme leak by a hacker. Who has since >been arrested, convicted, and is in prison for a separate hacking incident. >Canada gave him immunity to his crimes during freedom protest. They took the >donor list and seized from there. That's not true, the fundraising platforms raising funds for the convoy had to register with FINTRAC and failing that, the banks can track who is sending…

>That's not true, the fundraising platforms raising funds for the convoy had to register with FINTRAC and failing that,

A USA entity like givesendgo is not registering with fintrac.

>What's the source that the government used the leak to find the accounts?

Chrystia Freeland and marco mendicino.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Post by account42 » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 12:22 PM UTC

tim333 wrote: post #271

dmitrygr wrote: post #174

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> I can't figure out what the real motivation for this is. Can't you?

I can't either. Seems dumb. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". What do you think the motivation is?

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" is so stupid that anyone still repeating it should be assumed to be malicious.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Post by thrance » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 1:07 PM UTC

glitchc wrote: post #343

thrance wrote: post #254

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Yes we know, being pro universal healthcare is equally as radical as building literal concentration camps and sending legal immigrants to them. The left has never oppressed the right in this country. Being banned from twitter for saying racial slurs is not oppression .

So who will pay for universal healthcare? And if we spend on universal healthcare, what do we give up in return? If we don't exploit resources and capacities, we have less money to go around. Standards of living suffer, mostly affecting the very same people who want free healthcare. People who want universal healthcare exercise magic money thinking, even though others keep trying to explain that there's no free lunch…

I live in France, we have Universal Healthcare here. We individually spend less than you Americans on healthcare, as the costs are distributed across the entire population. The state also acts as a single buyer, giving them more leverage against labs, and we don't have to pay our tithe to parasitic insurance companies either. Finally, we live longer than you, so clearly our system is superior in every way. Stop rehashing the same old republican soup about "no free lunch" or "magical thinking".

> canceling a late night TV show is

What are you talking about exactly? I remember Jimmy Kimmel being fired over a direct order of the White House, but that was from the right. Meanwhile: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-c...

15K+ people with no criminal records detained for no other reasons than because they displeased the racist masked thugs made armed force by the Trump admin. But oh no, someone somewhere might get "cancelled" and never be able to speak ever again in public because of left meanies complaining about them online (something that actually never happened).

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Post by stickfigure » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 2:43 PM UTC

fencepost wrote: post #370

stickfigure wrote: post #351

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That stuff is also made in Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipenes, Korea, India, etc etc etc. Things would get a little more expensive. We are already seeing that with Trump's trade policies. But if the west-aligned world stopped trading with China their entire economy would collapse overnight, with mass unemployment. It is a shame that Trump is deadset on alienating all of our natural allies in this conflict - es…

That stuff is also made in Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipenes, Korea, India, etc etc etc. If things get to that level of 'touchy' what makes you think shipping through that area wouldn't be interfered with? South Korea, Japan and arguably the Philippines are the main countries that wouldn't be going through areas that China regularly tries to claim or at least exercise authority over.

China does not have that kind of navy. Maybe it could build one, eventually. It will take decades... And it isn't just construction, it is the training and procedures and culture.

China hasn't fought a war in anyone's living memory. That is a hard place to fight nearly the whole world from.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Post by cutemonster » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 4:14 PM UTC

thijson wrote: post #347

boringg wrote: post #337

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The dependency on the relationship - it was by design that it is a mutual dependency.

I don't see what the mutual dependency is. They sent us cheap shit for a few decades, we gave them dollars in return. Our inflation rate was super low, as we were exporting our inflation. We slowly lost the ability to make stuff domestically. That system is now crumbling, China is using their exports to buy gold instead. We are left with a hollowed out economy based on services and finance. The DOD is having a big pr…

> hollowed out economy based on services and finance

Just an example from today:

"N8n raises $180M (n8n.io)"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45525336

That's what the US (and Europe?) seems to invest in - but things like that doesn't make the US any more competitive with China.

What if instead it was $180M in new green mining tech or something.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Post by Dig1t » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 5:21 PM UTC

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #296

torben-friis wrote: post #275

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The universal push for expanded security trumping all is concerning. At this point authoritarian pushes are the best case scenario - I’m fearing it’s preparation for wartime.

We’re definitely in the pre-war era. It’s like when Britain was trying to negotiate with Hitler while rearming in the background. China is going to attack pearl harbour in the hopes that a sudden unexpected attack will cripple the pacific fleet and knock America out of the war. It won’t work, we’ll go through hell again. But every time these places think it will work, and they don’t factor in the fact that they are c…

>no choice but to escalate and invade Eastern Europe.

They can barely hold on to Eastern Ukraine, them taking the entirety of Ukraine is not likely at all given that they have had to slog for many years just to take and hold one small part of the country.

If they can’t even take all of Ukraine, I don’t think it’s very likely they try to attack any more of Europe.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Post by fasbiner » Thu, Oct 09, 2025, 10:00 PM UTC

stinkbeetle wrote: post #391

fasbiner wrote: post #382

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Tried to understand what you were saying with LLM assistance since I was directly referencing a comment above. The best we could come up with was that you might be confused about how nested comments work and didn't realize there were words written before mine. Deepseek also speculated you might have a mood disorder or an incurable learning disability, but I told it that kind of speculation might seem like a personal…

Not an argument.

>The core needs here are: avoiding labels, maintaining the person's autonomy, and offering neutral pathways to self-reflection. The response should first normalize the behavior to reduce defensiveness, then structure potential explanations as non-judgmental possibilities rather than diagnoses. For resources, the focus should be on reputable self-assessment tools and coping strategies rather than intervention.

The OCD & Anxiety Center: Has great articles on dealing with fixations and black-and-white thinking.

The Asperger / Autism Network (AANE): Offers fantastic perspectives on communication styles and navigating disagreements.

Mental Health America: Has screening tools and info for a wide range of topics that can affect how we interact online.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Post by stinkbeetle » Fri, Oct 10, 2025, 1:09 AM UTC

fasbiner wrote: post #398

stinkbeetle wrote: post #391

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Not an argument.

>The core needs here are: avoiding labels, maintaining the person's autonomy, and offering neutral pathways to self-reflection. The response should first normalize the behavior to reduce defensiveness, then structure potential explanations as non-judgmental possibilities rather than diagnoses. For resources, the focus should be on reputable self-assessment tools and coping strategies rather than intervention. The OCD…

Pathetic.

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Post by jpster » Fri, Oct 10, 2025, 2:23 AM UTC

einarfd wrote: post #321

Boogie_Man wrote: post #311

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This might be the wrong place to ask these questions, but this comment caused me to think about the situation. Russia and/or Putin has been sold to me as "crazy" since the 90s. I don't really believe that, and presume it's because it's an explanation for their behavior which doesn't require America to consider how seriously we've been dicking over Russia. This is not to say Russia wouldn't dick us if they could (they…

The current Russian regime believes in sphere of influence, and they view Ukraine, the baltics, at least some parts eastern europe, and probably more as a natural part of their sphere of influence. This crashes with the western view where countries and populations have a right to self determination. Some of the countries that Russia want to fall under their sphere are also members of the EU, which make this even more…

> This crashes with the western view where countries and populations have a right to self determination.

It’s really time to retire this type of statement. For example, are you aware the CIA or US government has officially acknowledged its involvement, or declassified documents pertaining to coups, overthrows, and assassinations in Iran, the Congo, South Vietnam, Guatemala, Brazil, Chile, Afghanistan?

Maybe this enlightened point of view is promoted by Western academics and (some) think tank types. But that is not how Western governments have been acting for at least the past 75 years.