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Re: Kagi News

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post #171

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I monitor 404 errors on my website. ChatGPT frequently sends traffic to pages that never existed. Sometimes the information they refer to has never existed on my website. For example: "/glossary/love-parade" - There is no mention of this on my website. "/guides/blue-card-germany" has always been at "/guides/blue-card". I don't know what "/guides/cost-of-beer-distribution" even refers to.

Definitely need an LLM to just generate it automatically on the fly! Welcome to the future! (Just kidding please don't (generate automatically))

A great idea if you're looking to intentionally sabotage AI.

Re: Kagi News

#392
post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

Yeah. I really like Kagi. This is a terrible idea. 1. It seems to omit key facts from most stories. 2. No economic value is returned to the sources doing the original reporting. This is not okay. 3. If your summary device makes a mistake, and it will, you are absolutely on the hook for libel. There seem to be some misunderstandings about what news is and what’s makes it well-executed. It’s not the average, it’s the d…

> It’s not the average, it’s the deepest and most accurate reporting.

Yes! I'm also a paying member but I'm deeply suspicious of this feature.

The website claims "we expose readers to the full spectrum of global perspectives", but not all perspectives are equal. It smacks of "all sides" framing which is just not what news ought to be about.

Re: Kagi News

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post #265

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There's too much demand for fake news, plenty of subsidy for it, and it's far easier to make. Non fake news is going to be restricted to pay services like Bloomberg terminals.

It is getting easier and easier to fake stuff and there are becoming less and less fully trusted institutions. So sadly I think you are right. Its scary but we are likely heading towards a future where you need to pay to get verified information and that itself will likely be segmented to different subscriptions for what information you want.

> Its scary but we are likely heading towards a future where you need to pay to get verified information

…are you describing a newspaper?

Re: Kagi News

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post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

I just don’t understand what this brings into the picture. Presumably your newspaper of choice already has

A) redacted the news in a format that is read friendly

B) set up a page with prioritized news

Because _that’s what a newspaper is_.

What extra value is gotten from a AI rewrite? At best is a borderline noop, at worst a lossy transformation (?)

Re: Kagi News

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post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

Maybe you should read the article before you assume how it works. It’s pretty clear and AI is specifically mentioned.

You’re being presumptuous. I read the article yesterday and there was no mention of AI or LLMs, they have changed it, which is good.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250930154005/https://blog.kagi...

Re: Kagi News

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I really like this, and I say this as an AI skeptic. It's a good summary of news and looks quite neutral -- good enough for me to skim the headlines and then dig deeper if I need to.

Re: Kagi News

#397
post #387

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It is getting easier and easier to fake stuff and there are becoming less and less fully trusted institutions. So sadly I think you are right. Its scary but we are likely heading towards a future where you need to pay to get verified information and that itself will likely be segmented to different subscriptions for what information you want.

Well the thing is that technically information is free, but creating it is definitely not. So, if Ads are not paying for it, and people won't pay for it either, who does? Fake news exists because of the perverses incentives of the system; where getting as many clicks as possible is what matters. This is very much a result of social networks and view-based remuneration. I don't think it's that bad if people need to pa…

Fake news mainly exist, because the need to disguise, manipulate and lie for power gains is probably a old as humanity.

Re: Kagi News

#398
In France (and maybe other countries) this is kind of what Courrier International [0] does but with humans curating and translating articles from around the world, and human-written summaries articles from multiple sources. It's in the same holding as Le Monde.

[0] https://courrierinternational.com

Re: Kagi News

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Just for concrete confirmation that LLM(s) are being used, there's an open issue on the GitHub repository, on hallucinations with made up information, where a Kagi employee specifically mentions "an LLM hallucination problem": https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public/issues/97 There's also a line at the bottom of the about page at https://kite.kagi.com/about that says "Summaries may contain errors. Please verify imp…

Love how it only took 8 years to go from "Fake News!" to "News May Be Fake"

FWIW, as someone who has chosen to pay for Kagi for three years now:

- I agreee fake news is a real problem

- I pay for Kagi because I get more much more precise results[1]

- They have a public feedback forum and I think every time I have pointed out a problem they have come back with an answer and most of the time also a fix

- When Kagi introduced AI summaries in search they made it opt in, and unlike every other AI summary provider I had seen at that point they have always pointed to the sources. The AI might still hallucinate[2] but if it does I am confident that if I pointed it out to them my bug report would be looked into and I would get a good answer and probably even a fix.

[1]: I hear others say they get more precise Google results, and if so, more power to them. I have used Google enthusiastically since 2005, as the only real option from 2012, as fallback for DDG since somewhere between 2012 and 2022 and basically only when I am on other peoples devices or to prove a point since I started using Kagi in 2022

[2]: haven't seen much of that, but that might be because of the kind of questions I ask and the fact that I mostly use ordinary search.

Re: Kagi News

#400
really nice, I was looking for something like this yesterday and now I see this. It would be nice to see these aggregators try to format these stories like a newspaper though instead of just a list of rss feeds under different categories. if it's already curated you may as well make it pretty too and make me feel smart as if im reading an actual newspaper
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