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Re: US cities pay too much for buses

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You can have a fleet of specialized self-driving taxis for people with disabilities. They can have articulated ramps or other special accommodations.

You could have trams and trains with level boarding which helps people who don't have disabilities too, costs less, takes less space in the city, makes less noise, needs less maintenance, and moves more people.

Ah yes 100x more expensive and 10x less practical. How did we get to posting blatant nonsense here.

Re: US cities pay too much for buses

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Another variation of this are GLP 1 drugs. Obesity costs USA $1.75T ( https://milkeninstitute.org/content-hub/news-releases/econom... , grossed up for inflation) Number of people that are obese: 100M Annual economic impact from obesity per person: $17,500 per year GLP-1 "For All": $6,000 per year (assuming multiple vendors, and some will be over vs under) Savings: $11,500 per year per person. Economic impact: Around…

Could US gov just buy out one the patents and make it free for all?

The challenge is that we have a rapidly evolving GLP/GIP/Other landscape being developed. In other words, you take a risk that the government buys the wrong thing. However, I think with a little push, you could have a highly competitive field to lower the federal cost, and the ROI should be easy to plot.

Actually, you don't need to do everybody all at once. Target the biggest (no pun intended) opportunities first.

Re: US cities pay too much for buses

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Yes, they're empty, but it's also a catch 22 because it takes urbanization, frequent bus services, and a lot of time for people to adjust to it. Anyone who spent enough time in Europe can tell you about how efficient, convenient, and efficient a bus network can get. Also, most people go to work, so buses tend to be very busy in the morning and at shift changes etc. It's not magic though, there are a lot of places whe…

We solved that several generations ago with cars.

And broke it with congestion pricing so that only the few have the freedom to go where transit won’t or doesn’t.

Re: US cities pay too much for buses

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Even when it's not the insurer, it's at least a hospital. Many a doctor around me that used to have a private practice sold to one of the hospital chains, as they promised more money than by owning, solely due to superior collective action advantages. A large insurer can bully a private practice into cutting costs, but a hospital network that handles 40% of ERs in the metro area? The insurance company can lose. So ev…

On top of that the ACA prevents new physician owned hospitals from being established and placed restrictions on expansions of existing ones

Are you talking about Certificates of Need? Those have been around for a lot longer than the ACA [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_need#History

Re: US cities pay too much for buses

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And congratulations to any of today's lucky ten thousand who are just learning of the Principal-Agent Problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal%E2%80%93agent_proble...

I'm convinced that a great majority of problems in the US these days fundamentally boils down to principal agent problems. The 2008 financial crisis is a great example. Once banks no longer kept mortgages on their own books, it just became a matter of time until that was going to blow up. The incentives change.

Your personal life is abundant with meaningful human activity that cannot at all be explained by money incentives. The principal agent problem has this same problem: once we stop talking about money, “interests” can be vague and overlapping, making the problem disappear with scrutiny.

To me, a great majority of problems in the US fundamentally boils down to people looking for markets and money where there aren’t any. Great examples include rising healthcare costs (what is the right price to pay for saving a child’s life, for example? Culturally, it’s basically unlimited!) whereas rising legal costs are NOT seen as a crisis (suing other people over BS grievances, unlike saving lives, is not compulsory); infrastructure investment (cars don’t make financial sense everywhere and everything all the time, but they’re REALLY cozy, so we will spend exorbitant amounts of money on infrastructure for them compared to everything else); the obesity crisis (eating feels GOOD, even if it costs EXORBITANT amounts of money); worsening education outcomes; lack of growth of alternatives to single family homes…

Re: US cities pay too much for buses

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I think that the authors solution, outsourcing production is not quite right, they gloss over other issues. >In a large country like the US, some variation in bus design is inevitable due to differences in conditions like weather and topography. But Silverberg said that many customizations are cosmetic, reflecting agency preferences or color schemes but not affecting vehicle performance. This is kind of absurd, I hav…

> This is kind of absurd, I have been on busses all over the country, a metro bus, is a metro bus. There are not really differences based on topography or climate.

It definitely depends. The traditional yellow school buses here (Canada) use diesel, so they need things like glow plugs [0] and block heaters [1] to be able to run in the winter. But even that only helps so much, so when the nighttime lows are below –40°C, they cancel the busses since they know that they won't run.

Most of the city busses here use natural gas, and they're considerably more reliable in the cold weather but if they're parked for too long on a really cold day (even while running), the brakes will freeze up and they won't be able to move [2].

Similarly, the busses need a fairly powerful heating system, since it's tricky to heat a large space when it's really cold and the front door is open half the time. But conversely, most of the busses have no A/C.

Adding glow plugs, and block heaters, and brake dryers shouldn't cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, but a more reliable natural gas bus might be double the price of an unreliable diesel one.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glow_plug

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_heater

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_brake_(road_vehicle)#Disad...

Re: US cities pay too much for buses

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Insurance profit is limited to a percentage of what they pay out. So the more they pay, the more money they make.

Also the largest insurers increasingly own the doctors you’re seeing too. Also the pharmacy you get your drugs from. Also the entity that negotiates prices between pharma companies and your insurer. More healthcare consumption = better, across the board

Uh, no… they want to deny claims. The best situation for insurers is that you are healthy for a while, then abruptly die of something that cannot be treated.

Re: US cities pay too much for buses

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"Federal funding typically covers 80% of bus purchases, with agencies responsible for the remainder." Well, there is your answer. The one making the purchase isn't the one primarily paying for the purchase. This makes them less sensitive to pricing. Kinda like how expensive healthcare is since it is paid for by insurance. Or how you don't care how much you put on your plate or what you choose to eat at an all you can…

I have a $6500 deductible. I definitely care what things cost because my insurance almost never actually helps pay for anything unless I have an unbelievably bad year.

The problem is that literally nobody can tell me how much anything is going to cost until I get the bill in a month. Not even because they don't want to tell me. Nobody at the desk even knows what my price is going to be because it's all numberwang.

Re: US cities pay too much for buses

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It's not that pushing buses onto surface streets makes it worse for cars. It's that it makes it worse for buses, which then leads people to take cars instead, which makes things even worse.

1. Priority bus lanes are solving that problem. 2. If getting through downtown by bus is slow, getting through it by car isn't any faster. Anyways, Seattle's transit problem isn't bad downtown bus service, it's godawful spoke-and-last-mile coverage, which eviscerates ridership, makes the overall network less efficient, and forms a negative-feedback-loop that blocks transit improvements. Nobody likes sitting around fo…

> 2. If getting through downtown by bus is slow, getting through it by car isn't any faster.

If the buses and cars are on the same roads, going the same speed, the car will get you to your destination faster, and everyone will go by car. Buses only get ridership if they have dedicated lanes where they can go faster than regular car traffic:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S22143...

Re: US cities pay too much for buses

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Preventative care is free because it saves a tremendous amount of money for the insurance company and physical and emotional hardship for yourself by catching bad things early.

It's usually cheaper to die

Only if nobody does anything to help you. Truly LBJ's "Great Society" That also completely discounts the value (economic, social, and moral) of human life and all the attendant problems a dying person creates.
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