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Re: Helium Browser

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Post by mendyberger »

dijit wrote: post #272
anang wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean this to doubt you, it is a sincere question. Do you have any examples of that happening? It sounds very believable, but it would be great to have actual sources for future reference.

push notifications, webgpu and webusb are examples of chrome being a reference implementation and using things for their services while simultaneously pushing the standard. Push for mail, webgpu for maps (iirc) and I believe WebUSB is used for Android flash/debug.

Not true about webgpu, but true about some APIs in Google's project-fugu

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by glenstein »

vovavili wrote: post #210
pjmlp wrote: post #150

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Yeah, everyone is doing their little contribution to help Google take over the Web and turn it into ChromeOS Platform. Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google?

The last thing Google would want is the web to turn into a Chrome platform. Unlike with Microsoft or even Apple, their source of revenue is web, and they they are doing everything in their capacity for this platform to win. This is exactly why they open-sourced most of Chrome and almost fully finance Chrome's biggest competitor.

>Unlike with Microsoft or even Apple, their source of revenue is web, and they they are doing everything in their capacity for this platform to win.

I feel like there's a missing step in the argument here. Yes Google's revenue comes from the web, yes Chromium being open source and paying for search deals are a hedge against anti trust, but why does it follow that they wouldn't want to dominate the browser space? They do, and it seems to be working quite well for them. But it feels more like a minimum effort hedge against antitrust then a demonstration of a healthy ecosystem.

Also, every time Chromium comes up you have people pointing to it like it's a counterpoint to their browser dominance. It's open source, so what's the issue? But the issue is that Chromium as a body decides whether commits make it into the browser and the decision making body is an invite only group of full time Google developers. So it is controlled by Google after all.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by ikari_pl »

godelski wrote: post #124

> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

I came here to leave this comment exactly. I stopped reading the page after "based on Chromium".

Thank you.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by glenstein »

input_sh wrote: post #264
pjmlp wrote: post #236

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They already did, Safari is the only one left standing, by the market share. Plus all the Electron crap that gets shoved as "native".

The only reason Safari has any market share is because it's the default on every iPhone. 4/5 top browsers by market share are there because they are preinstalled on millions of devices and none of them are terrible enough for an average person to look for an alternative.

Exactly right and I wish more people understood this as the key dynamic driving change in browser adoption. Just for one more example, what little toehold Edge and Bing have right now are from muscling those in front of people as defaults.

Which I think is important as it relates to Mozilla. Because a lot of the arguments back and forth about Mozilla assume that change in browser adoption was about what features they did or didn't add. But I think that completely ignores powerful actors leveraging monopoly positions to drive users to their browsers, which is more important by several orders or magnitude. Any explanation of that history which leaves that part out is revisionist history in my opinion.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by hoistbypetard »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #176
godelski wrote: post #124

> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

Literally the first thing I looked for...(if it is based on chromium). When can we get a new kind of browser that doesn't use html/css/js...? Build one from scratch with a common design language (but modifiable by the user)

1991? (gopher)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_(protocol)

2019? (gemini)

https://geminiprotocol.net

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by glenstein »

homebrewer wrote: post #342
esad wrote: post #327

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Maybe it's just me, but from time to time I try latest Servo build and it never survives more than few minutes of usage before crashing. Last time I did it was 3 days ago, I opened a website and it crashed with "RefCell already borrowed" in what seems to be a logger module. This always strikes me as weird because one of the selling points for Rust is memory and thread safety (quote from the website: "eliminate many c…

This is perfectly safe behavior, would you prefer it slightly corrupting the destination address when transferring money through online banking?

I think they're just asking for it not to crash.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by eviks »

ayaros wrote: post #17

Why did anyone think it was a good idea to put tabs in the title bar. How the hell am I supposed to easily drag a window if I have 100 tabs open? Who the hell thought this was a good idea? Why do I feel like the only sane human being left on Earth? Why is this project continuing to use this horrible UI convention? How are they going to make money or enshittify this in the future or sell it off to an evil billion doll…

> How the hell am I supposed to easily drag a window if I have 100 tabs open?

By holding a key and clicking anywhere in the window area.

> Who the hell thought this was a good idea?

Anyone who uses a better dragging method and doesn't want to waste space

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by zamadatix »

notpushkin wrote: post #99
zamadatix wrote: post #56

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> majority of enterprise software now (including and starting with Microsoft teams) outright say do not support firefox Teams has explicitly supported Firefox for a while now https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/teams-clien... but the problem is "there's always another site that doesn't work right". Firefox usage share got too low, so places just check Chrom* and Safari work with the new feature and ship…

> there's always another site that doesn't work right I keep hearing it, but personally I’ve only come across one recently (a site was running some tracking bullshit that broke on FF). And there’s one feature broken on LinkedIn.

Take that you know of 2 from recent memory and imagine someone unlucky enough to be in the top 10% of most broken sites experience by chance for the last 3 months. Those are the ones that comment/leave about it, but it's a game of attrition over a long enough time.

Webcompat used to be a lot more active (not sure if it's one of the things Mozilla has stopped actively engaging or not) but it was always a few big sites followed by an endless stream of "I'd never use that site, but that's precisely the kind of thing an average user wouldn't want to be troubleshooting" stuff. E.g. I remember seeing https://webcompat.com/issues/136422 and thinking "yeah, the hospitals I used to work at stopped testing in Firefox too - and the sites are already frustrating when they work as expected".

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by endunless »

What is the auto-update mechanism on macOS? One of the primary reasons I use ungoogled chromium is because I can update it via homebrew myself. I don’t trust browsers with running invisible background auto-updaters.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by hoistbypetard »

satyapr93 wrote: post #110
GodelNumbering wrote: post #91

I have felt like a perennial browser refugee for a while. For about 20 years now (since OG Firefox was at peak and Chrome was not yet launched), every new browser promises the same things, gets popular enough, then does a full or partial 180. While I like the pitch of this browser, I find it a little difficult to take it at the face value, especially given there is no info on the founders, or whether it is run as a c…

You can look into Ulaa browser by Zoho. It fits your description.

That's wild. I've been a Zoho customer for some time, and I've never heard anything about that.
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