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Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by ergocoder »

k_bx wrote: post #337
femiagbabiaka wrote: post #35

I cannot for the life of me understand the Omarchy hype. The Linux community has been theming their distribution installs for decades. What distinguishes this from that?

You just need to watch the video to get the hype: it's the specific person leading the hype, with pretty good presentation and loyal audience. At least to me it made sense once I've seen it (the hype made sense, not the distro).

The quality is pretty good too. You try it and it works decently. It looks great and ready to go. It serves as a foundation to customize your linux.

This is not like DHH selling dogshit to you. It's a high quality package / product or whatever you want to call it..

Now everyone is thinking why nobody did this un-innovative thing before DHH did.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by sureglymop »

xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

I think you are not in the target audience for it.

I am not in it either, I think arch has great defaults and archinstall is enough. On top of that it's incredibly well documented. But some people just want to hop in as quickly as possible and get to something working.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by sureglymop »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #262
boomboomsubban wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source?

A month ago Arch came under ddos attack. DHH and others were offering to either pay for or get Cloudflare to sponsor antiddos protection for Arch. Instead of accepting the offers or even saying why they won't various Arch services were down for almost a month. Then Arch published https://archlinux.org/news/recent-services-outages/ essentially saying that they are seeking ideologically pure service

I didn't see "ideologically pure" anywhere in the linked statement but what I did find was this quote:

> We are also evaluating DDoS protection providers while carefully considering factors including cost, security, and ethical standards.

How is that not reasonable?

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by chillfox »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #140
skybrian wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how AMP eventually died, it seems unlikely that web developers would go along with it. What’s in it for them? Also, I don’t see any sign that Google even wants to do it? This is not really evidence-based reasoning, it’s just “I can imagine something evil that Google might do.”

Both are already happening. Google markets Chrome relentlessly, with popups in search and YouTube if you're using other browsers, browser choice dialogs in Google iOS apps (despite iOS having a default browser setting for 5 years now), Chrome getting bundled into random Windows software installers, etc. Many devs actively desire single-engine development and testing and many aren't shy about using Chrome only feature…

I have hit a few sites over the last year that threw up full page "This site only works in chrome" blocks, even though they usually work perfectly fine in Firefox if you set the user agent to chrome.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by digdugdirk »

skgough wrote: post #385
xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

It is strange to me that omarchy took off and not Regolith Desktop [1], which is a very similar project, and has been around a lot longer. I suppose the DHH effect is real. There is definitely a critical mass accumulating around the hyprland ecosystem. They seem to be forming their own culture separate from the wider FOSS community that I find concerning. [1] https://regolith-desktop.com/

Mind elaborating on that last bit? Both about their specific culture, and your concerns?

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by yawaramin »

pmdr wrote: post #155
robinhood wrote: post #76

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I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I wish more companies were like Cloudflare actually - trying to balance the need of revenues while trying to do good for internet and open source as a whole. As a normal user with a few sites, I'm glad they provide what they provide to block bots, attacks and everything AI.

> I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I'm already bombarded with cloudflare captchas when using Firefox, especially on Linux. Residential IP address. I'm suspicious of everything cloudflare is doing right now.

You're bombarded with Cloudflare captchas because bots are heavily scraping the websites you're browsing and they are struggling to stay online by putting in place heavy-handed bot-fighting tactics. Without Cloudflare, you wouldn't have the website you're browsing.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by chillfox »

hylaride wrote: post #211
troupo wrote: post #144

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> This is not really evidence-based reasoning, it’s just “I can imagine something evil that Google might do.” Please read Mozilla's story on how Google sabotaged them: https://archive.is/tgIH9 Oh. And they very literally killed Internet Explorer: https://blog.chriszacharias.com/a-conspiracy-to-kill-ie6 Oh. And Google's mobile apps always conveniently forget the setting of "always use system browser and never ask me",…

> Oh. And they very literally killed Internet Explorer I disagree with this. Firstly, in this article they talk about how they "killed" IE6 in favour of later versions of IE, but MS ultimately killed IE with neglect until it was far too late.

Microsoft might have been neglecting IE, but Google was Definitly playing games with IE, constantly breaking video acceleration on YouTube in IE in any way they could. They were literally introducing invisible elements overlapping the video for no other reason than to break IE.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by password4321 »

baq wrote: post #356
doublerabbit wrote: post #282

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Edge solely exists to keep the Windows OS bundled with their own browser. My 70 year old mother doesn't want the faff of installing Firefox so Edge fits the bill. It provides for her, her needs. I've installed Firefox and it sits untouched. Microsoft doesn't care if people use it or not. It's easier and cheaper for them to integrate as Chromium does than it is to upkeep Trident. It's not their business too. My take t…

Edge has windows-integrated o parental controls which Firefox lacks entirely and Chrome has its own implementation of. Non-parents probably have no reason to care, but edge has an advantage in Microsoft households.

Also: reset/change selected client certificate without restarting.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by stubish »

superkuh wrote: post #308
blahyawnblah wrote: post #188

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It loads fine for me. Maybe you have some other problem?

Nope. It's because the cloudflare captchas require a bleeding edge browser. If one uses a modern commercial browser it works and you've never even presented with a captcha. But in both cases I am tunneling to a VPS to avoid Comcast/Xfinity's MITM injections of javascript into pages and that adds some oddness to my connections. Comcast has a monopoly on high speed internet in my town and I cannot even get DSL or I'd s…

I know Firefox works fine, even if you use a decent tunnel, but if that is too commercial and bleeding edge perhaps the Ladybird project is actually a solution if it gets up speed?
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