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Not sure about dumbest, but almost definitely the most cruel. (or at least least worried about putting on a facade of caring).
Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately
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#392I just saw that some people on 4chan are organizing a mass booking of high-traffic route flights from India to stop some Indians from coming back. It feels like the visa process is politically weaponised for propagating racism.
Judging by Google Flights, the tickets start from five hundred or so each, so I don't really see anyone putting a real dent in this. Unless it's actually Elon Musk who could literally book all the flights full, should he so desire.
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#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately I think there is enough track record that the administration no longer has benefit of doubt from Hanlon's razor. e.g. >“We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected,” he said. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains." sauce: https://www.propublica.org/article/video-donald-trump-russ-v...
So basically, you don't know , and you're violating Hanlon's razor because you think its wrong this time. The fact that this administration routinely implements policies of all types in this way suggests that rambunctious implementation is the default explanation for any particular outcome.
>you don't know
Neither do you.
Hanlon's razor is a good baseline when you have no information pointing to either option.
But when you have an administration that climbs onto a podium and announces they want to traumatize people, that's a pretty direct admission of malice in my books. You're free to conclude we're just seeing a string of repeated stupidity, but frankly I think it's incredibly naive to still given them the benefit of doubt.
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#394UK around Brexit time thought kind of similar: let's keep the "riffraff" immigrants out by applying higher criteria. The narrative also changed this way: we don't want immigrants in general, but you , with your highly paid PhD-requiring job, you can go in, on a 2 year rolling basis. Then everyone's a winner, except for unwanted, unskilled labour. But a lot of skilled labour left anyway. Partly because the general atm…
> But a lot of skilled labour left anyway. Partly because the general atmosphere got unpleasant. But also highly paid people have spouses, children, parents and other relatives. Once you are told you barely cleared (very high) criteria, you can be pretty sure your retired parents won't, if ever you need them to move in with you.
Chain migration is an anti-immigration argument in the US - even if some particular immigrant is highly-skilled and would benefit the US from being a legal resident, that immigrant's family is probably not as impressive. Nonetheless, once the government gives legal residency to the highly-skilled immigrant, they will be highly motivated to try to get the rest of their family to the US as well. So the US should be careful about granting legal residency even to prospective immigrants whose credentials make them individually look good.
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#395Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the plain text manner. To me the more relevant portion is this: > ...except for those aliens whose petitions are accompanied or supplemented by a payment of $100,000 Again, just doing a plain text reading, this seems to be intended to apply to new applicants, but they didn't explicitly spell it out. It's the sort of thing that would be debated endlessly in the rounds of legal review that accompany a...more traditi…
I see, you're saying the stupidity here is that they didn't clarify whether it applies to existing holders. Given that possible explanation-via-stupidity, it's unlikely that it was pure malice. I actually think you make a good point. I think the proposed method-via-stupidity is important for understanding your initial claim, I doubt many people have read the EO (indeed many will not even read the linked article)
Yeah, exactly. Given the text of the EO plus the public statements about it from the administration, it sounds like an ambiguous drafting, coupled with lawyers doing what they do best (i.e. the most conservative possible interpretation of any ambiguity).
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#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
The free part of slavery is about freedom, not payment. It was not uncommon for enslaved people to buy their way out of enslavement.
Quick googling (could be wrong), thousands bought freedom, approx 4 million were enslaved. It would have been uncommon, ballpark 0.1% (which still seems high to me. The issue is a very large denominator)
Slavery was around long before the US existed. In Ancient Rome it was much more common for slaves to buy their way out of slavery..
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#398Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately I think there is enough track record that the administration no longer has benefit of doubt from Hanlon's razor. e.g. >“We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected,” he said. “When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains." sauce: https://www.propublica.org/article/video-donald-trump-russ-v...
So basically, you don't know , and you're violating Hanlon's razor because you think its wrong this time. The fact that this administration routinely implements policies of all types in this way suggests that rambunctious implementation is the default explanation for any particular outcome.
Violating Hanlon’s razor like it’s some universal always true rule?
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#399Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reading a thread on r/immigration involving multiple immigration lawyers and corporate lawyers※, the Executive Order wording is apparently unclear and leaves CBP agents with discretion (which can obviously cause confusion and not apply the same rules to everyone). Much easier for the companies to recommend/insist on folks fly back before the deadline to avoid issues. ※ - https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/comments/…
>(which can obviously cause confusion and not apply the same rules to everyone This is called a corrupt system. It's the intent. Trump will come out with gold visas for companies who pay him whatever favor he wants at the moment. This corruption is meant to look at like 'just following orders'. You are providing the fascist lubricant by giving it a good faith examination. Don't do that.
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#400This has very strong "cruelty is the point" vibes. There are a fair bit of international flights in the 10-12 hour range. Add some time to pack, get to airport, baggage check, get through security & how the flight times line up and this seems calculated in a way that is precisely not doable. Never mind people not perpetually online and only seeing this a couple hours later Meanwhile there is to my knowledge no reason…
I am firmly convinced this came from Stephen Miller (current homeland security advisor). Unnecessary cruelty to legal immigrants is his trademark style.