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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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People didn't flip to red so much as blue voters in swing states sitting on their hands and abstaining from voting. Now they're looking down the barrel of authoritarianism and they're still unwilling to vote unless Gaza is a fully solved problem. The cruel irony is that this behavior is worsening the situation in Gaza.

Couldn't the Democrats change their positions so that they align with and accommodate popular positions and win elections. I don't think most of the (rather large block) of folks I know who abstained wanted a fully solved problem, they wanted the US to stop funding Israel and that is a position that the Democratic party could have taken if they had chosen to do so.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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>The problem is the only alternative solution the pro palestinian crowd is suggesting is basically that israel should lie down and die.

IIRC theres a plan among arab states that would call for a DMZ between Israel and Palestine, theres just no way that Israel would accept their troops manning that DMZ. So it would have to be the US or UN troops manning that border and they dont want to.

>It's one of the most dehumanising things ever. "stay here and become a casualty statistic because that is the most convenient way to fulfill our political agenda."

IIRC Israel tried to pay them to leave and they wouldnt. They want to be returned to their land. Your complaint here is basically "Why wont they let Israel finish their ethnic cleansing" which is more disgusting than your implication.

> Also don't deal with israel consistently in bad faith and then expect them and their supporters to care about what you think.

I have never once, in my entire life discussing this issue, going back 10-15 years seen an Israeli government supporter argue anything in good faith. Would love to see that change.

>Just for the record i think this report is a fabrication and for those that say plenty of Israelis oppose what's going on in gaza i will respond that none of them can suggest any better alternative.

Is there a single alternative to "We will slowly take their land" that Israel would accept? They certainly wouldnt be happy if a neighbor absorbed palestine. They wont ever accept Arab League soldiers manning a DMZ. They will refuse to hand back parts of the West Bank and Golan Heights that they have occupied "For Security".

That means the only viable solution is a Single State. They should rehome the refugees, return them to their land, and get over it. Deal with Hamas as the internal matter it is.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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While you do have points that these UN bodies do seem to sleep more often than not, one should never, under any circumstance attempt to suggest that what's happening in Gaza aren't crimes against humanity. A friend of mine is in the Red Cross staff, they had more than 20 casualties since 2021 in Palestine. Their staff was literally shot at because they were doctors. It's sickening.

Which side do you think has an interest in shooting doctors? I'll help you with that. It's not the side that would regularly take Gazan children into Israel for medical treatment before the Gazans started a war against Israeli children. Or do Israeli children mean nothing? Because I personally know two women whose children were burned to death on October 7th.

That doesn't seem to check out. This isn't to say that Hamas hasn't killed doctors and there have been several notable incidents of Israel killing healthcare workers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_health_workers_in_t...

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/20/nx-s1-5370617/israeli-probe-k...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0xp969n69o

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Even Wayne County, Michigan, which has Dearborn, stayed blue. Though I was honestly surprised at how much of my Muslim community was so anti-Harris that they voted for Trump. Harris may be pro-Israel, but Trump is anti-almost everything else we stand for.

> how much of my Muslim community was so anti-Harris that they voted for Trump I'm honestly split between pro-Palestinian Arab-American Trump voters and soybean-farming Trump voters as the stupidest voting blocks of 2024. Not only are you helping put someone in power who is so obviously going to work against your interests. You've also removed yourself from the other party's table where your issue might have gained p…

Maybe the thinking is that if you stop waiting for your turn and remove yourself from the table, someone will move your issue up the road to get you back to the table.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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I wouldn't label this as "support for Israel"/"against Israel". One can support Israel without supporting Israel's current approach. Many within Israel are not happy with Netanyahu's methods, and presumably they are not against Israel. I understand that that's the current shorthand, but it seems inaccurate and unnecessarily polarizing to me.

> One can support Israel without supporting Israel's current approach. I think you're overthinking this. We're taking about a country committing genocide here. You either support them or you don't.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes. It is…

whats actually going on with the mayoral race? is cuomo running as an independent against mamdani?

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2025/09/10/mamdani-hol...

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

Why would we expect any desirable outcome in this hypothetical though? So the US flips, Israel is pressured into withdrawing, Hamas regains control of the strip and resumes rocket attacks, Israel is forced to respond eventually. It doesn't seem like a path toward a real solution.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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US sure likes israel... https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saar-urges-250-... 250 us legislators had to fly there (probably paid by the taxpayers) a few days ago. Sadly, looking at the US politics, whichever side you vote, israel wins.

Those are US state legislators. We have 7,386 of them. Sometimes a few wander outside during their election races. You could easily fit that delegation into New Hampshire’s House of Representatives of 400 seats. Meanwhile it’s more than double California’s total state legislature size of 120 seats. It’s fun!

Still a strangely high number.

Imagine 250 representatives all going to a country with a similar population. It'd be mighty strange if 250 representatives from across the US went to Kyrgyzstan. Frankly, I'd find it strange if 250 went next door to Mexico all in the same year and that's a directly neighboring country that's actually relevant to US interests and the US's single biggest trade partner. Israel gets some sort of special treatment and it's really, really weird. It's treated with higher reverence than any state within US borders is.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Title: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza Reality: The report was written by a 3 person UNHRC commission, which itself is seated by Ethiopia, Congo, Sudan, and Qatar.

> Reality: The report was written by a 3 person UNHRC commission, which itself is seated by Ethiopia, Congo, Sudan, and Qatar.

Your framing that "3 people from Ethiopia/Congo/Sudan/Qatar wrote the report" is both incorrect and deeply racist.

Edit: and to make it clear, the report was authored by the "Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel" which is made up of the following three members:

- Ms. Navanethem Pillay (South Africa)

- Mr. Miloon Kothari (India)

- Mr. Chris Sidoti (Australia)

You can read more about the commission here: https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/co-israel/index

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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People didn't flip to red so much as blue voters in swing states sitting on their hands and abstaining from voting. Now they're looking down the barrel of authoritarianism and they're still unwilling to vote unless Gaza is a fully solved problem. The cruel irony is that this behavior is worsening the situation in Gaza.

Couldn't the Democrats change their positions so that they align with and accommodate popular positions and win elections. I don't think most of the (rather large block) of folks I know who abstained wanted a fully solved problem, they wanted the US to stop funding Israel and that is a position that the Democratic party could have taken if they had chosen to do so.

Couldn't far left progressives run their own candidates to win their own elections on issues without siphoning unreciprocated one-way support from the Democrat party? Given the toxic outcomes of supporting purity testers who give ultimatums similar to yours on political issues completely unrelated to the average voters life, theres likely no mainstream party that would align with a platform of virtue signallers that dont intend to create any meaningful policy, so to claim your position is popular is somewhat is a misnomer. Saving people is a popular concept, sure, but it's not easily perceptible to the rest of us that the group taking the strategy to ensure the most suffering for the Palestinians possible in our voting cycle is the one attempting that feat.
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