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As I said before, “citation please.”
You know what's a lot stronger comeback than "citation please"? Doing your own Googling, and then posting the results with a "hah, you're wrong".
I'll keep that in mind.
I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf
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Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf
#392Not possible everywhere because of bad (car oriented) infrastructure, but an e-bike would be more optimal for this person's commute since they're "only driving a few miles a day". No insurance, fun, repair it yourself, etc
I used to bike about 3 and 1/2 mi to work and back. This was right in the middle of a major city. It was so nice to just basically not have to deal with traffic. I was faster than cars at that point. I never got a fat tire enough to do the snow, so I would ride until I absolutely couldn't anymore. If it was 15° or Fahrenheit or less, I'd still ride. I would just bundle up like I was skiing. It was a pretty small offi…
Yeah we get like 33 and rain in the Pacific Northwest for a solid chunk of the winter (only freezes sometimes). I find I end up riding with less electric assist during the winter so I generate my own heat.
Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf
#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think until you have one you don't realise quite what having a range of 200+ miles means in practice. You don't actually drive for 500 miles without a break, that is 8-10 hours of constant motorway speed driving and its not safe to drive that long. So when you take 30 - 60 minutes for lunch on a long drive like that and charge the vehicle you are going another 200 miles before again really taking a break. As it sta…
> that is 8-10 hours of constant motorway speed driving and its not safe to drive that long [citation needed] considering plenty of people do it all the time (truck drivers)
In Europe, lorry drivers are required to take a 45 minute break after 4.5 hours of driving.
Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf
#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but you can buy one for $12k and get almost nothing back, or buy a more modern EV for $25k and maybe get $13k back. In both cases you are losing $12k in a few years, but in one of the cases you get a more modern car.
Scrap value of a car is several thousand dollars these days. The OP's $12K car is likely going to last > 10 years. A $25k will likely depreciate more $12K in 10 years.
Plus insurance + registration
Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf
#395Earlier quoted context omitted.
Re: the tax credit, note the income requirements here: https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/used-clean-vehicle-cr... I don't know anything about your situation, but I'm guessing quite a bit of the readers here on HN from the US won't qualify.
> The sale qualifies only if: > You buy the vehicle from a dealer. This is such an annoying part of the tax incentive. It's a huge, pointless gift to car dealers (who need no help) because it means they don't have to compete for price with private sellers or buyers. If I have a used EV to sell, I basically have to sell to the dealer because no buyer wants to bother buying from me when they can get the same thing from…
Not to mention there are severe income limits on the rebate
Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf
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$17k minus an extra $2k added to my Camry's trade-in value, and it's eligible for the $4k used vehicle EV tax rebate at the end of the year. So out the door $15k with 36k miles and 94% doh battery, I was satisfied with the deal. At the end of the tax year I'll have paid $11k for the car, effectively. I tacked on the price of the CHAdeMO adapter mentally to the price I offered, since I knew I'd want it for the one or…
kind of nuts since a used tesla is within 5k of this
You could get a whole other car for 5k
Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf
#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
Re: the tax credit, note the income requirements here: https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/used-clean-vehicle-cr... I don't know anything about your situation, but I'm guessing quite a bit of the readers here on HN from the US won't qualify.
> The sale qualifies only if: > You buy the vehicle from a dealer. This is such an annoying part of the tax incentive. It's a huge, pointless gift to car dealers (who need no help) because it means they don't have to compete for price with private sellers or buyers. If I have a used EV to sell, I basically have to sell to the dealer because no buyer wants to bother buying from me when they can get the same thing from…
KeySavvy is the normal workaround for this. $99 extra cost to both sides for them to handle the title verification and shipping, and to act as the dealer to make it qualify for EV credits.
Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf
#398Small, cheap electric cars are the best! Fun to drive, easy to maintain. I own an VW eUP 2015 model which costed me €4000 used. I do not know if they where for sale outside of Norway (I only see them here!), but it is the perfect car for 95% of our mobility needs. I drive it to work every day (where I can charge it for free). I drive it to Oslo and can park/charge almost anywhere around town for really cheap, about €…
Why is it so cheap to park your car and not others?
Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf
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I thought about this too - own a small electric vehicle for 90% of the family needs and rent a bigger SUV when the need arises. Until you do the math and realize that the 3-4 annual trips of multiple days would end up costing thousands of dollars in rental fees per year. Plus the usual inconveniences around renting. Suddenly the math does not look so appealing.
> Until you do the math and realize that the 3-4 annual trips of multiple days would end up costing thousands of dollars in rental fees per year. First, 3-4 annual multi-day trips that go for longer than 300 km? If one has that amount of disposable income to afford that, go for whatever the biggest Tesla is and use Superchargers along the route, even drives so long they're a safety issue on its own due to fatigue don…
I'm surprised you consider a 300km trip long, or 3-4 trips in a year excessive. That's only Berlin to Bielefeld. What do you do with your holiday?
The EU minimum is 20 days annual leave per year.
Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf
#400Earlier quoted context omitted.
Re: the tax credit, note the income requirements here: https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/used-clean-vehicle-cr... I don't know anything about your situation, but I'm guessing quite a bit of the readers here on HN from the US won't qualify.
> The sale qualifies only if: > You buy the vehicle from a dealer. This is such an annoying part of the tax incentive. It's a huge, pointless gift to car dealers (who need no help) because it means they don't have to compete for price with private sellers or buyers. If I have a used EV to sell, I basically have to sell to the dealer because no buyer wants to bother buying from me when they can get the same thing from…
Maybe the car dealers have had a lobbyist that has influenced this to their favor. Wouldn't surprise me. But likewise, there's some formality and paperwork trails that exist when a dealership is involved vs. private party, so I wonder if the concern is some fraud or abuse in the private market as well. Regardless, I agree with you.