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Re: Atlassian is acquiring The Browser Company

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> How often has that ever been a good decision? It got them acquired, so certainly it worked for them this time. > doing the hard work of building a great product How often has that ever been a good decision?

> How often has that ever been a good decision? The migration to OSX or all Windows upgrades certainly payed off for those companies.

I don't think this is a good comparison. There are many startups that have succeeded developing good products, but very few that could match the success of Apple.

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yea, I guess Google, Microsoft, Apple and Mozilla also ditch their work after only two years as well... Also 2 years or even 4 years is not that long at all

I'm not a mind reader but I think the post you replied to was sarcasm.

I am a mind reader and can confirm the post he replied to was sarcasm.

Re: Atlassian is acquiring The Browser Company

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When I git Arc, I thought "how are they going to monetize this?" Red flag I just didn't take seriously. Then I saw remains of the chromium branding, they hadn't even changed the icon. I thought this isn't time consuming, why they haven't done such a thing? And honestly it felt like one of those ADHD brains that go to many ideas and never finish any, Arc was exactly one in every sense. I knew this was huge red flag but then the beautiful interface (which till this day is—after Apple's—the most crafted and beautiful one) made me break my lines. I knew this could not keep going. Arc Search is a horrible browse, and I actually always used it because it was syncing with the desktop, the desktop was broken in so many different places that I cannot name (just try to open the downloads and you see). And well Arc is just another browser with some ideas borrowed from here and there. I mean it's still some sandboxed web frames, nothing integrated, no special new feature and infrastructure to make the browser an OS. My whole point with this is that it astonishes me how they never finish anything (Arc, Arc Sync, Arc Search, Arc Windows, Easels...) and they actually sell big time and have all of this hype around them

Re: Atlassian is acquiring The Browser Company

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It has been so tragic to see the unforced downfall of this company. Arc is such an amazing browser that really did some new and interesting things. They clearly have some phenomenal talent on the team, having managed to get their swift-centric development working on _Windows_. That's a huge and difficult undertaking! And they threw it away to work on (probably) the CEO's new fixation and threw Arc away like an old to…

> Nobody wants to use an Atlassian browser. False. On my work machine, I would grasp at any straw that promised to make JIRA less annoying.

Did any Atlassian product ever make JIRA less annoying ?

My impression was JiRA is the planet and everything else are satellites turning around. They come and go but never touch JIRA.

Re: Atlassian is acquiring The Browser Company

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I lost all faith in The Browser Company when they went into a maintenance-only mode with Arc to shift to Dia, without any real announcement. Just a reply to a Twitter post calling them out. They figured no one would notice. I think they eventually addressed it after some public pressure, but I don’t think they sold the decision well. AI seems like a feature to add to existing browsers, not something that needs its ow…

Actually, I think the switch to Dia was them providing certain potential buyers proof that they (as a dev team) could build a new browser with a completely different UI and mindset/intent quickly. Essentially just something to prove their "Arc Dev Kit" efficiency.

Re: Atlassian is acquiring The Browser Company

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On the other hand, it's kind of crazy no one can make an OS except Windows, Apple and Google? Trillion dollar market and no one can compete.

Linux has entered the chat...

Even though I run it full time now personally; I still think Linux has massive problems something like Windows or macOS don't have: app development. You can't target a thing, you have to target all the things and bloat your app like crazy so you might as well just ship a chromium based app because its practically the same thing anyway (shipping an entire userland because its not stable anyway)

Re: Atlassian is acquiring The Browser Company

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Which is why tactics are so important. I would say no one has actually got the experience right yet, 'browser is the OS' has been true for a long time, and no one has delivered it yet. Similar to ambient computing and augmented reality.

They say the browser is the OS, and yet eww is only one small part of Emacs.

Isn't that because eww refuses to implement JavaScript? Which isn't very e/acc of them?

Re: Atlassian is acquiring The Browser Company

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The strategic insight behind Arc was perfect – your browser IS the Operating System, and so we should build a browser that can function as that platform. Arc had pretty good market validation with early adopters, they say that growth was flattened out but IMO that's normal for most products, and it's up to the company to find out WHY growth flattened and then solve that problem. Not kill the product and chase some en…

> The strategic insight behind Arc was perfect – your browser IS the Operating System, and so we should build a browser that can function as that platform. I'm sorry, but this is the exact same insight that MSN Explorer had. And everyone in retrospect sees that as an absolute spamfest. Ironically, in a very similar way as AI features are seen today.

Similarly, isn't this the insight that led to both ChromeOS and FirefoxOS?

Re: Atlassian is acquiring The Browser Company

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The strategic insight behind Arc was perfect – your browser IS the Operating System, and so we should build a browser that can function as that platform. Arc had pretty good market validation with early adopters, they say that growth was flattened out but IMO that's normal for most products, and it's up to the company to find out WHY growth flattened and then solve that problem. Not kill the product and chase some en…

This wasn't a new insight by Arc. ChromeOS exists. Palm's WebOS was a thing. Even Apple pitched rich web apps as the avenue for 3rd party developers to make things for the original iPhone, they were just a bit too early. There is even Electron, for web apps to run as desktop apps on all major operating systems. Most browsers can also turn any website into a self-contained web app that lives along side other local apps.

I don't think Arc ever realized their vision. They gave some cryptic ideas of their vision for the future of the web, but I don't feel like they fundamentally changed anything. I was expecting Arc to eventually get to a place where I could login to Arc on any computer and have my home session, always up to date anywhere I was. Of course, this idea would have been a lot better in the 90s or 00s when computer labs were more common and everyone didn't have a computer in their pocket. The value of a cloud OS isn't as appealing as it once was.

In terms of growth flattening out; they threw in the towel too early. It was only after they stopped adding new features and decided to give up on Arc that it seemed to really start to get traction. I was seeing blog posts and YouTube videos left and right about Arc, all while knowing that it was effectively dead, but the memo never made it to the people who just found it and were sharing it like crazy. A new browser from a new company, that piggybacks on the browser that already has 70+% marketshare isn't going to take over the world in a few years. It was a long play and they were too impatient, and had already given up by the time they started to get some real traction outside of the early adopter space.

I remember when Firefox really hit the mainstream. Friends would see friends using IE, and push them out of the way to install Firefox. It felt very grass roots, but it worked... it just took time.

Re: Atlassian is acquiring The Browser Company

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I want a browser in my apps, not apps in my browser. The whole thing has just gone completely backwards in the last 20 years. Browsers make terrible operating systems. People live in their browsers because they have to, not because they want to.

I want to. I like that I can open multiple windows, tab them, share and save URLs, all with no stupid app-specific updater widget, a pretty good sandbox, and explicit permissions for breaking out of that sandbox in limited ways (e.g. notifications). All that works seamlessly and consistently on Windows, MacOS, and Linux. Often the same URLs also work well on mobile (Android) without installing more stupid apps. Exten…

Sounds like more than half the problem is the lack of standardization in desktop operating systems. There’s no reason why all Mac apps can’t take advantage of the system standard tabbing like AppKit Mac apps do, but most don’t, so in most apps you don’t get apps unless the dev implements them.

Same deal with updaters. If macOS and Windows had a standardized way to update apps Linux distros do that wouldn’t be nearly as annoying.

Startup services and to some degree tray icons fall under enshittification. Some apps have a legitimate need for these (like Alfred or Raycast or an audio mixer applet) but most are blatant mindspace/metrics booster grabs.

For me the upsides of web apps are counteracted by omnipresent annoying browser chrome, resource consumption, and the general flakiness stemming from nobody being able to agree on how to develop web app UIs (even just within the React sphere, let alone beyond it). The number of manhours set on fire and level of potential for refinement left on the table by the innumerable redundant bespoke widget reimplementations is unreal.

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