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Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by lisper »

charlesfries wrote: post #334
lisper wrote: post #331

This story has something I've never seen on HN before: underneath the title and the subsequent "X points by colesantiago N hours ago | flag | hide ..." line, there is a link to https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.223 ... No other story on the front page has this, and I've never seen it before. How did that link get there? It is not the link to the story itself. That is on cnbc.com.

https://news.ycombinator.com/submit > Leave url blank to submit a question for discussion. If there is no url, text will appear at the top of the thread. If there is a url, text is optional.

Ah.

For years I have been submitting links through a bookmarklet that goes to /submitlink rather than submit, so I don't get the text box.

I wonder why this feature isn't used more often.

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Post by melagonster »

>During the remedies trial in May, the DOJ asked the judge to force Google to share the data it uses for generating search results, such as data about what users click on.

Does this mean that government can know your every step on Chrome?

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by WhereIsTheTruth »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #283

rip for firefox then, is this would start an enshittification for ff??

Chrome became successful for the same reason Firefox became successful

enshittification of IE -> Firefox's rise

enshittification of FF -> Chrome's rise

Any unbiased person can verify the timeline

https://www.wired.com/2005/02/firefox/

https://visionarymarketing.com/en/2008/09/03/chrome/

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by kataklasm »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #382
VoidWhisperer wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue that this is less an example of why linking out may be bad for engagement and more an example of google abusing its intermediary/market position to keep users on their own pages longer

I'd argue that a user not having to click through is clearly a better result for the user, and that alone would be sufficient motivation to do it. In terms of a single search, I don't think Google really benefits from preventing a click-through - the journey is over once the user has their information. If anything, making them click through to an ad-infested page would probably get a few fractions of a cent extra giv…

That's the kind if short-sighted view that's the root issue in a ton of enshittification happening around: the belief that short-term gains or benefits are all it's about. It's not sustainable to leech off of wikipedia content to fuel your own (ad in Google's) knowledge pop-ups, even if it benefits the user in that they save a single click, because that means long-term wikipedia will die out because users no longer associate the knowledge gained with wikipedia but with Google even though they had nothing to do with it apart from "stealing it".

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Post by wraptile »

lunarboy wrote: post #242
bogwog wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you define as "flourished"? Chrome won in part because it was better than Internet Explorer, but ironically, the internet was better back when IE had majority market share. Today, 99% of internet traffic goes to a handful of sites/apps, and the vast majority of the ad revenue on the internet goes to a handful ad companies. The internet is a SEO spam shit hole crafted in service of Google's easily gamed rankin…

Internet was better via what metric? Your rose tinted nostalgia bar? And what's stopping anyone from making a better non-gameable search index that's driven by purely charitable intentions?

> And what's stopping anyone from making a better non-gameable search index

The party that was found _guilty_ in this lawsuit?

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by wraptile »

chneu wrote: post #318
sylens wrote: post #173

I think ultimately this is a good decision. The web has flourished in part because Google has supported Chrome so well over the years since they are incentivized to do so. You don't have to use Chrome (I don't) to benefit from this second order effect.

Google has systematically shittified the internet with Chrome by pushing bunk standards that other browsers are forced to adopt. Just recently they got fed up with ad-blockers so what do they do? Yeah. Then what just happened with android apps? yeah. Google is not good for the internet. Anyone saying this is just sucking google's dick and siding with a major corporation. Also fuck AMP.

AMP was such a colossal failure I can't believe people are allowing Google to live it down.

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Post by wraptile »

AlexanderTheGr8 wrote: post #358

Apple stock is up 3%, strongly implying that this ruling is good for Apple as well. That is in contradiction to a lot of folks saying that this ruling means Google won't have to pay Apple. While the terms of the deal with Apple will likely change, based on the stock price increase, Apple will likely end up with a different deal (if not better). Another thing to note, contrary to some comments, is that Google is still…

> Apple stock is up 3%, strongly implying that this ruling is good for Apple as well.

It's been decades since stock market represented reality. If that was the case TSLA wouldn't shoot up on every report showing massive revenue loss. The stock market is one big meme wheel.

Re: Google can keep its Chrome browser but will be barred from exclusive contracts

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Post by yxhuvud »

supernova87a wrote: post #56

By the way, a pet peeve of mine right now is that reporters covering court cases (and we have so many of public interest lately) never seem to simply paste the link to the online PDF decision/ruling for us all to read, right in the story. (and another user here kindly did that for us below: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.223... ) It seems such a simple step (they must have been using the rul…

Not all courts post their judgements online with full access for everyone.

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Post by wraptile »

snihalani wrote: post #317
mrcwinn wrote: post #245

A loser in this is Perplexity. I’ve never understood the thesis of Apple purchasing them: whether or not you enjoy their product, I see nothing defensible or interesting and suspect they’re among the most overvalued AI startup. Nonetheless, I’d bet Apple will do more of what’s worked: partner with Google to solve something core that they’re not great at. I’d take a deeply integrated Gemini on the iPhone over Siri any…

why couldn't perplexity fork firefox/chromium and make it chromy?

They have, it's called Comet https://www.perplexity.ai/comet

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Post by josephbenedict »

I kinda knew that Google will manage to dodge the nuclear option in this antitrust case. Like, sure, they got dinged for anticompetitive practices (which everyone saw coming), but Mehta stopping short of forcing a Chrome or Android divestiture was a huge win for them.
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