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Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by wahnfrieden »

alwillis wrote: post #135
wahnfrieden wrote: post #124

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This won't make a dent. It still doesn't support any agentic operation. The real news is when Codex CLI / Claude Code get integrated, or Apple introduces a competitor offering to them. Until then this is a toy and should not be used for any serious work while these far better tools exist.

I just installed it—definitely not a toy. Compared to stock Claude Code, this version of Claude knows a lot more about SwiftUI and related technologies. The following is output from Claude in Xcode on an empty project. Claude Code gives a generic response when it looked at the same project: What I Can Help You With • SwiftUI Development: Layout, state management, animations, etc. • iOS/macOS App Architecture: MVVM, d…

If it is severely less capable - and not even any cheaper to use - then it’s a toy! A penny farthing can get you somewhere just as a car can but only one is perhaps of professional utility even if the other used to be at one point too

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Post by lanstin »

airstrike wrote: post #20
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Big disagree. My Macbook has hard crashed into restarting more times than my PC desktop has in years. The other day I literally just closed my M2 Macbook and it for some reason just completely crashed and shut itself off.

FWIW I abuse my M2 daily and only reboot once a year basically, and only because of some update. Something could be wrong with your specific Macbook

Bad memory maybe? I also have much less trouble with my personal Macs than my personal Linux boxes (although I push the edges on beta and cutting edge software a lot more on linux, while I treat the MacOS as something I can ignore the versions of, unless they notify me to upgrade). But haven't had a abrupt reboot outside of software updates in forever (on personal macs - work mac reboots at IT's whims).

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by kristopolous »

PessimalDecimal wrote: post #68
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Amusing that Emacs that came out of the MIT AI lab, and heavily uses Lisp, a language that used to be en vogue for AI research.

Amusing is one word for it. Expert systems were all the rage until they weren't. We'll see how LLMs do by comparison.

People are trying to achieve the same thing - rules based systems with decision trees. That's still one of the most lucrative use cases.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by dreamcompiler »

yunwal wrote: post #390
SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #383

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It's ironic that a song about irony contains no actual examples of irony. But since that's ironic, is it actually an appropriately named song?

The song contains many instances of cosmic irony[0], as well as a few instances of other types of irony (e.g. "Well isn't this nice?"). [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#Types_of_irony

Rain on your wedding day is not cosmic irony or any other kind. It's simply misfortune.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by wahnfrieden »

alwillis wrote: post #384
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If a bunch of markdown files forced into the context is “knowing”, then yes. They are usually located at /Applications/Xcode-beta.app/Contents/PlugIns/IDEIntelligenceChat.framework/Versions/A/Resources/AdditionalDocumentation You are free to point Claude Code to that folder, or make a slash command that loads their contents. Or, start CC with -p where the prompt is the content of all those files. Claude Code integrat…

No, this isn't a bunch of markdown files, has been in the works since at least May and has been dogfooded inside Apple [1]: "Apple Partners With Anthropic for Claude-Powered AI Coding Platform" [1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/02/apple-anthropic-ai-codi...

What is special about it besides the IDE integration? It is a bunch of markdown files with a search tool. It has no agentic capability so it is far behind state of the art dev tooling. Apple devs internally use Claude Code.

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Post by adastra22 »

hollowturtle wrote: post #294
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Non sequitur? I have used agentic coding tools to solve problems that have literally never been solved before, and it was the AI, not me, that came up with the answer. If you look under the hood, the multi-layered percqptratrons in the attention heads of the LLM are able to encode quite complex world models, derived from compressing its training set in a which which is formally as powerful as reasoning. These compres…

> I have used agentic coding tools to solve problems that have literally never been solved before, and it was the AI, not me, that came up with the answer. Would you show us? Genuinely asking

Unfortunately confidentiality prevents me from doing so—this was for work. I know it is something new that hasn’t been done before because we’re operating in a very niche scientific field where everyone knows everyone and one person (me, or the members of my team) can be up to speed on what everyone else is doing.

It’s happened now that a couple of times it pops out novel results. In computational chemistry, machine learned potentials trained with transformer models have already resulted in publishable new chemistry. Those papers are t out yet, but expect them within a year.

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Post by hollowturtle »

adastra22 wrote: post #396
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> I have used agentic coding tools to solve problems that have literally never been solved before, and it was the AI, not me, that came up with the answer. Would you show us? Genuinely asking

Unfortunately confidentiality prevents me from doing so—this was for work. I know it is something new that hasn’t been done before because we’re operating in a very niche scientific field where everyone knows everyone and one person (me, or the members of my team) can be up to speed on what everyone else is doing. It’s happened now that a couple of times it pops out novel results. In computational chemistry, machine…

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Post by kennywinker »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #362
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Off by about 33,999,998 users, but still a decent dunk. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/06/apple-now-has-ove...

We found one of the users!

Not currently, but yes my full time job has involved xcode many times.

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Post by brailsafe »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #347
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> Claude Code integration in Xcode would be very cool indeed, but I might still stick with VSCode for pure coding. I'm sticking with VSCode too, but it's a bit silly to suggest that anyone is using XCode because it's their preferred IDE. It's just the one that's necessary for any non-trivial Apple platform development. Adding a code generator isn't a marketing ploy to get people to switch editors, it's just a small c…

I actually continue to use Xcode (in vim mode now that they have that) purely because of the way tabs work… in Vim and Xcode I’m able to have the same file open across multiple tabs and window-tabs, allowing me to arrange sets of files for particular tasks. But in VS Code it sends me to another window when I want to view a file next to another one, just because it’s already open elsewhere. I can’t stand this behavior…

That's an interesting auper apecific detail that I think I've encountered once or twice. I'm reminded of one niche reason I also chose XCode for non-apple stuff, which was to print code on paper. I don't remember why I struggled to do it in VSCode at the time, but XCode was the solution.

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Post by brailsafe »

manmal wrote: post #242
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> Claude Code integration in Xcode would be very cool indeed, but I might still stick with VSCode for pure coding. I'm sticking with VSCode too, but it's a bit silly to suggest that anyone is using XCode because it's their preferred IDE. It's just the one that's necessary for any non-trivial Apple platform development. Adding a code generator isn't a marketing ploy to get people to switch editors, it's just a small c…

I mean you can stay in VSCode for most activities if you hate Xcode that much (I can relate btw). Plugins like Sweetpad make this possible. My approach now is to develop all logic in small Swift packages and run swift test in VSCode (or Claude Code), so I only absolutely need Xcode for debugging and building releases. Every once in a while I try SwiftUI previews, but those are usually broken anyways.

Ya I was considering a similar workflow last time I was steeped in SwiftUI. I don't dislike it that much actually, maybe just how slow the compile and error alerting is/was last time. I mainly found mac SwiftUI performance to be lacking, along with the transparency and documentation of the api. Swift itself is fine, and I give a xcode a lot of credit for somehow functioning as well as it does with so much accumulated functionality/complexity/bloat.

SwiftUI previews were... manageable but not great.

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