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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by akho »

simpaticoder wrote: post #153
kibwen wrote: post #88

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> then do the repair yourself This is awesome though, and exactly the sort of thing one buys a Framework for. > the laptop's battery life is not good Mine is great, I share a single USB-C cord among all my laptops (of which I have despairingly too many) and I often use my Framework all day while forgetting it's not plugged in. (Fedora, if the OS matters.)

>This is awesome though No, it's not awesome. Upgrading ram and disk or replacing a motherboard, screen or battery is great. Repairing a badly designed motherboard with a soldering iron is not great. In fact, it's bad. I think there's a good argument that it violates (warranty) law. If a car company sells to you based on "right to repair" and then it turns out there was a design defect in the engine, is it "awesome"…

> I notice you didn't mention it losing power when suspended. Curious.

Are you using a kernel > 6.8? It got (much) better.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

nrp wrote: post #304
bsimpson wrote: post #273

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Good catch! Didn't realize he wasn't OP.

We don't submit our own announcements :) Agreed that it would be great if the submission link was updated to be frame.work/laptop16 instead though.

@dsng Any possibility?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by diggernet »

kristianp wrote: post #281

You've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops. Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.

My fantasy for the Laptop 16 keyboard: Optional taller hinges and thicker bezel.

Think about it... Replacement hinges that separate the upper and lower shell by an extra 1/8-1/4" plus a thicker bezel to fill that gap. Suddenly (at the cost of a thicker laptop, for those of us who don't mind) you have extra space under the screen for longer key throw, contoured key caps, trackpoint, arrow keys that overlap the lower deck to allow a proper inverted-T layout, etc. Maybe even possible to retrofit old ThinkPad keyboards in there.

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by tracker1 »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #250
tracker1 wrote: post #206

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They could run in lower power mode(s)... Given the power/cooling requirements for the module, I'm not sure they'd perform much better than the 5070 option already there. Another comment mentioned the 5070 is configured to run at 100W.

a 5070ti would be a lot better since that gets you up to 12gb VRAM.

Or... NVidia could allow 16gb with a 5070. It's relatively arbitrary anyway, and the power limits are mostly in conjunction with thermal limits in their module design anyway, so it likely makes less relative sense to go up the stack at those limits.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by dangus »

account42 wrote: post #386
dangus wrote: post #318

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It’s not really a gaming laptop, it’s more like a workstation that happens to be decent at gaming. They’ve even mentioned in another video I watched that their fastest growing segment is business customers. Their systems have unique features and value proposition nobody else is offering so they can charge more than competitors. Let’s also not forget that the gaming market does have a high end segment that is definite…

> Their systems have unique features and value proposition nobody else is offering so they can charge more than competitors. But that also puts them out of the market of users where those unique features would be a selling point but are not required which is probably much bigger.

Yes, that’s the idea. Dell and HP cover the much bigger market. If you don’t need unique features there are other choices on the market. Framework is filling a previously unmet demand.

It could certainly be called a niche but they have been doing quite well for themselves in that space.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by soperj »

neilv wrote: post #103
soperj wrote: post #53

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Thinkpads still have buttons. I don't ever use the trackpad, just the nub and buttons.

I have bad news for you: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th... Someone should scoop up the niche market of anguished ThinkPad devotees, with a TrackPoint and a good, non-chiclet keyboard. Maybe Framework, leveraging its modular system. Maybe a Framework-compatible third-party.

what a dumb thing to do. How do you even scroll with the nub?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by jsmith45 »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #58
Deuter8 wrote: post #6

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I literally just want a touchpad with buttons. These new 'clickpads' are the bane of my existence. They are so much slower, and certain workflows are impossible. I must use an external mouse now with modern laptops. Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option ?

Can only speak for myself, but for me the issue with traditional clickpads comes down to their mechanical diving board nature. Even the best ones are not nice to use due to the unavoidable variance in pressure and click feel across the pad that is exacerbated as the size of the pad increases and the mechanism wears over time. The type that doesn’t move at all and simulates a click with haptics on the other hand I fin…

Honestly, I'm here half wondering why we need the click at all. One finger drag for move, quick one finger tap for left click, tap and half for click and drag, two finger tap, two finger drag for scroll covers all the common interactions.

Which isn't to say I don't use the click functionality at all. I will subconciously use it in some scenarios, but not in others, but if it were missing I would adapt very quickly, since I use the gesture alternatives so often, that I would automatically fall back to them.

I suppose I need the click for some obscure interactions like right click drag, but honestly except in games I've almost never seen that used. My surface laptop as currently configured literally wouldn't even allow some other rare ones like hold button and scroll (I'd need to turn on right side scroll-wheel for that) and I've never even noticed the absence of that ability until I tried it just now.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Post by illiac786 »

eviks wrote: post #354
psolidgold wrote: post #337

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The keyboards have full NKRO support and are fully mappable with QMK firmware, plus they offer blank key caps AND a macro or numpad input module. That feels like plenty of leadership to me - that's unheard of in any other laptop. Can't please everyone I guess.

If they designed their keyboard ergonomically, they wouldn't need numpad modules. But yes, can't please everyone, too many people with low standards easily pleasable

Bit pedantic… being satisfied with less is a quality, let’s not forget this.
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