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Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by ihatehn »

floren wrote: post #64
TranquilMarmot wrote: post #49

I spent the past month "de-Googling" my life after I saw a notice in my Gmail inbox that it was 20 years old. I took a step back and realized just how invested into the Google ecosystem I was. Gmail, Calendar, Docs, Drive, Maps, Keep, Photos, YouTube, FitBit, Android. Basically my entire digital life. My goal was more diversifying than security/privacy, but security/privacy is a really nice bonus. I ended up going wi…

I've taken steps to degoogle too, but like you I've rather stuck on Android because over the years I've ossified a set of tools I like (KeepassDX and Syncthing are really important, and Firefox on Android is actually damn good).

I moved to self hosted Bitwarden (Vaultwarden) from KeePass and haven't looked back!

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by kogasa240p »

coro_1 wrote: post #300
kogasa240p wrote: post #257

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>Proton Using proton as well, but if you're stuck on the free tier you can't use any 3rd party email clients. >YouTube Using Google takeout for Youtube will give you a .csv of your subscriptions and playlists (just be sure to un-check getting a download of your videos). From there you can get the rss feeds and use RSSguard as a subscription viewer/media player, this site was a big help in figuring things out https://…

I love Proton but the idea of subscribing and committing to renew annually is a turn off. There's probably be a huge market behind the psychology of this. They should offer a lifetime option for the core service and monetize the add-ons and new features.

Agreed, even though I use the free tier. Ideally I'd host my own email server but that's not an option for me right now.

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Post by crystalseed »

I was with Mailbox.org and made a switch to Fastmail. Mailbox.org announced that they would have 2FA 2.0, but my account hasn't received the update yet.

I contacted their support, and they said my account would receive it ASAP. It's been two months, and I still haven't received it.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by wkat4242 »

amaccuish wrote: post #290
octo888 wrote: post #159

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Contactless payments is the the big one that doesn't work and probably won't. You can do in app payments via Google pay though Many banking apps work fine though not all.

Luckily my German bank (Volksbank) has its own NFC app on Android. Much maligned years ago when it was announced (why can't they just let me use Google Pay??), I at least have come to the conclusion that it has granted me a freedom that Google does not.

And it doesn't let Google snoop on your every transaction. I don't understand how so many people are ok with this.

Unfortunately every EU bank card uses Mastercard or visa so the Americans still get to snoop. Time for that to be changed too.

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Post by wkat4242 »

TranquilMarmot wrote: post #331
palata wrote: post #118

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> supports Graphene but there are too many trade-offs there What are the tradeoffs? I have been following GrapheneOS for a while, and it doesn't seem like there are many tradeoffs. > OpenStreetMap is still really hard to use and gives bad directions. OpenStreetMap is a database, and most commercial services that are not Google use it. E.g. Uber or Lyft. You just need to find an app that you like. CoMaps is nice, OSMA…

> What are the tradeoffs? As others point out, my main worry is about banking and NFC. I use NFC payments on my phone a lot, especially for the bus. Getting an Android Smartwatch just for that kind of defeats de-Googling haha. I will probably try out Graphene at some point but that seems like a multi-day project to get it set up, find the tradeoffs, determine if they're worth it, and then potentially switch back to A…

Osmand is great but it has a bit of a learning curve. It's much more powerful than Google maps though so all these features need a bit of navigating. It probably should have a simple mode for most users.

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Post by wkat4242 »

TranquilMarmot wrote: post #381
lostlogin wrote: post #347

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What are you doing for search? I was a paying Kagi customer, after fleeing Google, but I can’t stomach even a trivial sum of money going to Yandex/Russia. I miss Kagi.

> I can’t stomach even a trivial sum of money going to Yandex/Russia This is the first I'm hearing of this, I love Kagi. Looks like Yandex represents about 2% of their costs. I assume the hangup here is that by Kagi giving money to Yandex, the Russian government gets some of that money, and that money is being used to fuel war machines? By that logic any company that ends up giving money to a country that is particip…

If it's only 2% kagi could easily obey the sanctions too though and just stop doing business with Russia like everyone else.

And no nobody's perfect but the sanctions are a means of policy pressure. It's not so much about feeling ethical.

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Post by infinitesector7 »

neilv wrote: post #328
Freak_NL wrote: post #294

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Regarding Organic Maps: I would recommend keeping tabs on what is happening there since this year. They seem to be having significant governance issues. https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/organic-maps-open-lett... Short story: forget Organic Maps, use successor CoMaps or competitor OsmAnd. https://www.comaps.app/about-us/

Thank you, that's interesting and a concern. Do you have pointers to information about the governance and legitimacy of CoMaps? (I see a mention that it's non-profit, but no statement about what kind of non-profit, not even on the donate page where that info is customary and relevant for US tax reasons. Also, I see no mention of who's who, nor how they operate.) The closest I find is this: https://www.comaps.app/supp…

The code is open-source. biodranik is the main source of the governance issues.

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Post by biodranik »

opensourebuild wrote: post #385
Freak_NL wrote: post #329

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Nope, all I know is what I picked up in the OpenStreetMap community, like that thread on the forums, and this open letter: https://www.comaps.app/news/2025-04-16/1/

The claim about open-source is coming from the shareholder of Organic Maps, Alex, but there is no basis to it, as the code for that repository is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license. It appears Alex is angry about the fork and doing anything possible to spread negativity.

The code used by the fork was never published. It was stolen from a private repository and a private server, and then published/used in the fork without the authors' approval. That's a serious legal issue.

The fork also took the new website design that was developed for Organic Maps even before the Organic Maps website was updated.

Don't believe everything on the internet; there are many lies spread around.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by roundcast »

biodranik wrote: post #398
opensourebuild wrote: post #385

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The claim about open-source is coming from the shareholder of Organic Maps, Alex, but there is no basis to it, as the code for that repository is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license. It appears Alex is angry about the fork and doing anything possible to spread negativity.

The code used by the fork was never published. It was stolen from a private repository and a private server, and then published/used in the fork without the authors' approval. That's a serious legal issue. The fork also took the new website design that was developed for Organic Maps even before the Organic Maps website was updated. Don't believe everything on the internet; there are many lies spread around.

So Organic Maps is not actually open-source?

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by palata »

biodranik wrote: post #398
opensourebuild wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim about open-source is coming from the shareholder of Organic Maps, Alex, but there is no basis to it, as the code for that repository is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license. It appears Alex is angry about the fork and doing anything possible to spread negativity.

The code used by the fork was never published. It was stolen from a private repository and a private server, and then published/used in the fork without the authors' approval. That's a serious legal issue. The fork also took the new website design that was developed for Organic Maps even before the Organic Maps website was updated. Don't believe everything on the internet; there are many lies spread around.

Hmm... This says otherwise, with detailed explanations and screenshots: [1][2]

It shows that you, biodranik, removed the MIT licence from the repo with a commit saying "No MIT yet, sorry". It says that the code had been licenced as MIT since 2021. It is not clear if you own the copyright to all the contributions since 2021, and therefore it is not clear if you are legally allowed to remove the MIT licence.

It also says that the fork was made from the repo in the state it was when you removed the MIT licence. Therefore it is a fork of an MIT project by someone who had legal access to the MIT-licenced code: it's legal.

> Don't believe everything on the internet; there are many lies spread around.

You don't say :-).

I was not entirely sure about the CoMaps vs Organic Maps situation, but this very comment of yours clearly favours CoMaps IMO. Or did I misunderstand something?

[1]: https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/discussions/9837

[2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20250815050441/https://github.co...

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