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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Ofcom can fine 4chan all it wants, but without UK assets those penalties are unenforceable, they have no power here. This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom.

> This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom. the 3% tariff on Chinese tea was seen as oppressive don't look at what has been imposed this year (without congressional approval)

That's absurd. That doesn't pass the sniff test at all for being remotely true that people would react like that to only a 3 percent tax.

I looked it up, and it was a 3 pence tax per pound. When tea was selling for 2 to 3 pence per pound. So yeah, a 100-150% tax combined with the fact that the East India Company was allowed to sell without paying the tax. That is very unjust and threatens their business a lot more than the tax alone.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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It's an understandable English even for non-native speaker like me. You are probably not very exposed to non-native speakers.

English speaker for approximately 43 of my 44+ years on this planet. I have almost no idea what this sentence is trying to convey.

Damn what’s up with that gap? You’re falling behind.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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I know moot, but what’s the hiro part mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroyuki_Nishimura > Users on 4chan refer to him commonly as 'hiro' but also by the ethnic slur "gook moot", or the nickname "Jackie 4chan", "Hiroshima Nagasaki," or simply "hiroshimoot".

That's kind of misleading because it lists hiroshimoot alongside blatantly racist nicknames. But hiroshimoot simply appears to be the names of two people mixed together.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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> do you think the public at large knows what VPS are? How to set up a VPN? Do you think the general public NEEDS to know those things right now? Because that's what actually mostly drives what people put in the time to learn. This smug elitist "everyone is dumb except me the tech wizard" sort of comment shows up every such thread and it's deeply irksome. Most people are plenty intelligent and can easily learn things…

It's not elitist to remark that people tech skills are atrophying. The zoomers literally have memes about how bad are at tech stuff. Setting a VPN is 100% not trivial, I know that because I recently set up a wireguard vpn on a VPS. Not impossible, sure, but out of the reach for a normal person. Sure, one can ask a techie friend (if one's has a techie friend capable of self-hosting a VPN). So now instead of the gov ba…

>It's not elitist to remark that people tech skills are atrophying.

It is elitist though to not go into why that's the case and instead just assume it's because, what, people are dropping in IQ? A lot of (though not all granted) the cause boils down to the same reason as mechanical skills (engine repair and such) atrophying: lack of need. Things have gotten very polished for the average use case. Most people don't need to know all the inner workings, but that's not necessarily a bad thing right? I can remember easily in the 90s and much of the 00s when many OS crashed if you looked at them funny and had some pretty funky edges, and the state of the art advanced so fast diving into the internals was important. And it was great fun for me and I miss a lot of it. However it made life a lot harder for someone who only wanted an appliance tool, and now that's the changed. But while when comfortable a lot of us have a tendency to coast, as we see in disaster after disaster folks can get extremely inventive and learn in a real hurry if they experience enough motivation.

>Sure, one can ask a techie friend (if one's has a techie friend capable of self-hosting a VPN).

lol what? Why on earth would that be necessary?

>Selling turnkey tools will be banned.

I'm American. The british crown can kiss my red, white and blue ass. Just as with tor, I will contribute for free just to stick it in their authoritarian eye. As well as services from huge parts of the rest of the planet that aren't the UK, there is no reason there won't be fully open source apps where you put in a VPS API key and it does the rest and spits out a profile for you the end. On the contrary that's technically trivial, but there hasn't been that kind of need amongst the developed world.

The UK government will have to go all the way to the level of China for it to work like you're claiming, if they're even capable of that.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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> See BlueSky just rolled out Terms ToS that the automated UN Safety (censorship) laws they will accept. This is an automated pipeline for the "censorship demand data notice" can be applied in an automated why. I feel like you are missing some words or have some typos because this isn't comprehensible English.

It's an understandable English even for non-native speaker like me. You are probably not very exposed to non-native speakers.

I've spent years living abroad and have had many long discussions and friendships with non-native english speakers.

This could be a non-native speaker, but the complexity of the attempted sentence structure leads me to think it is a native or fluent speaker who made some mistakes (I make those kinds of mistakes all the time.)

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Democracy is a form of government, not an ideology. Just because +50% of an electorate thinks something is OK, doesn't make it so.

The form of government that applies democracy is rooted in the ideology that the majority knows best, which is the ideological version of democracy.

When people talk about democracies, they almost always refer to liberal democracies.

With liberal democracies, I believe it's more about self-determination or fair representation than who knows best. The point is to prevent tyranny, including majority tyranny.

There can be no liberal democracy without the protection of human rights and the of law.

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> Two days later, US Federal Trade Commission chairman Andrew Ferguson warned big tech firms they could be violating US law if they weakened privacy and data security requirements by complying with international laws such as the Online Safety Act. How will this work with chat control? > "If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access." I…

It's a US company - tell the UK to pound sand if they think they're going to tell businesses here how to operate because they want to run the UK like a draconian hell-hole.

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> See BlueSky just rolled out Terms ToS that the automated UN Safety (censorship) laws they will accept. This is an automated pipeline for the "censorship demand data notice" can be applied in an automated why. I feel like you are missing some words or have some typos because this isn't comprehensible English.

It's an understandable English even for non-native speaker like me. You are probably not very exposed to non-native speakers.

"You are probably not very exposed to non-native speakers."

If native speakers have to talk to people of other languages to understand it, then it's not even English at that point. What it is, who knows.

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Banning VPNs seems effectively impossible. Any ip address can act as a vpn. There are also zero identity providers like mullvad.

I am pretty sure we are slowly but surely heading towards a point where every country will implement its own great firewall and block every website except those in a whitelist approved by the government.

They're not going to suddenly become competent enough to implement something like that.

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> Two days later, US Federal Trade Commission chairman Andrew Ferguson warned big tech firms they could be violating US law if they weakened privacy and data security requirements by complying with international laws such as the Online Safety Act. How will this work with chat control? > "If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access." I…

I think eventually we will reach a point where laws like the Online Safety Act become so prevalent that it is basically impossible to comply with all of them simultaneously and still have a unified internet across the globe. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 10 years or so every country has its own version of the internet only intended for their own people.

> impossible to comply with all of them simultaneously and still have a unified internet

We'll have 2 kinds of apps and websites.

One will be super nice products that only work in your country and you can't use it to communicate with outside people.

The other kind will work worldwide but because they would be spending so much more on compliance their product would be a bare minimum ad riddled crap.

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