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UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Doesn't this apply to literally every government on earth?

No. > they have raided newspapers offices and destroyed data, arrested journalists and taken people's private information at borders This does not happen in many countries.

Which countries would you hold up as exemplars of free speech?

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>the form factor of the modern smartphone discourages creation Ever take photos or videos with your phone? Is that not creation? >When I was a young child me and all my friends would “use the PC together” Same, but this is more "old man yells at clouds". Children today have their own way of creation, now using AI.

Imagining something that you to create is something anyone can (and does) do all the time. Spending time learning how to actually create it, and then actually creating it is what makes someone an artist. The children's "own way of creation", in your own words is to imagine what they want to create, and then ask something else to try doing what they want. If it's not what they want they complain and ask the system to…

>Spending time learning how to actually create it, and then actually creating it is what makes someone an artist.

Says who? Someone sold a white canvas with a banana taped to it, that a toddler could have done in 3 minutes. What's there to learn to do something like that?

>I wouldn't be called an artist

Pretty sure people do whatever they enjoy doing, and they don't give a f if some pretentious people call them artists or not.

This comment is a very narrow and elitist PoV, focusing on art specifically, which is a thing a lot of people would struggle to define, and also has nothing to do with the topic of using computers, since most people don't use computers for art but to make their lives easier, more efficent and more fun.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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I don't get why the UK always does this. it's like GSM encryption all over again. Is it a particularly snoop-ey culture stemming from GCHQ or something?

particularly snoopy culture, yes, stemming from GCHQ, no idea. our government has always felt entitled to breach our privacy and we are equal parts spineless and stupid. average take on this is either "why would you care unless you have something to hide" or "that's a shame, but there's nothing we can do about anything ever."

regrettably the latter one may be correct but it'd be nice to see at least some pushback every time this happens.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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The author of V for Vendetta, Watchmen, 300, and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?

Well I (as a widely-read 81 year old bookworm lol) have never heard of him

Well now's your chance to familiarize yourself with the pop culture of 20 years ago. There's this other great book about UK authoritarianism, it's called 1984 by this little known author George Orwell.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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If there's a properly implemented end-to-end encryption, then NSA cannot see anything, even having full access to telco-s.

But they can store the traffic and decrypt it later, if feasible.

^ this and remember kids. Data processing does not require a warrant.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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[citation needed], your Economist article [0] quotes 30 a day (which would be > Under these laws, British police arrest more than 30 people a day for online posts, double the rate in 2017. Some are serious offenders, such as stalkers. How many of those 30 were for "online posts" (and of which nature - Lucy Connolly is a favourite example cited by the likes of Vance, but she was arrested for trying to stir up racial t…

> How many of those 30 were for "online posts" (and of which nature - Lucy Connolly is a favourite example cited by the likes of Vance, but she was arrested for trying to stir up racial tension when there were already race riots going on)? Who can tell, because the article didn't seem to bother asking. I googled Lucy Connolly out of curiosity. It indeed appears that she got 31 month of jail for a single tweet? You do…

If I post "I'm going to kill the president, at $location tomorrow at $time" and I get arrested, was I arrested for "an online post", or was I arrested for "threatening to assassinate the president"?

Both are technically correct. People who want to threaten to assassinate the president more often will call it "arrested for an online post". People who think assassination threats are bad and think it should happen less often call it "arrested for threatening assassination". The former group are currently much louder and their propaganda has worked.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Say what you will about JD Vance but he has passionately confronted the European elites on their surveillance overreach and clearly it's had an impact. We may not like everything about the current American administration, but credit where due.

> he has passionately confronted the European elites on their surveillance overreach passionately lol hes a role player. Americans are so easily tricked by bullshit its unreal

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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No. > they have raided newspapers offices and destroyed data, arrested journalists and taken people's private information at borders This does not happen in many countries.

Which countries would you hold up as exemplars of free speech?

I would not hold up any country because there are flaws everywhere; and I don't like writing about free speech because it has different meanings for everyone. But even in our puny Slovakia raiding newspaper offices and taking peoples private data at the border is not something that would happen and didn't happen for at least the last 25 years or so, even though we had and currently have horribly bad governments.

The situation in the UK is particularly bad I think because the legal situation is a hodgepodge of a missing written constitution, interweaving of the government branches (as I understand, the government can sometimes ignore the courts or is above them), the libel laws, and while still (for now) a member of the ECHR which gives some guarantees, it's rulings are always (many years) after the fact. Crucially, the UK is a very class-based society. The ruling class gets what it wants and it does not want free speech.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Go further: "We have never built a back door or master key" The feature is not named "back door" or "master key". It's a feature of iMessage with various names such as "zero click". Also note they have created features before that provides law enforcement access to data at different stages of a pipeline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMessage#Security_and_privacy

> It's a feature of iMessage with various names such as "zero click". All web results for `imessage "zero click"` are about vulnerabilities/exploits. Are you claiming some of these are intentional, or what?

It's been used by state actors for years. May as well publish the API for it. These aren't rare and special flowers that are each artisanally discovered after searching for a million hours. And it is nicely packaged in an app that is used for something simple like text messages.

"An Israeli spyware company has reportedly cut access to its clients in Italy following allegations that its product was used to target critics of the Italian government.

"The move comes after WhatsApp alleged last week that spyware made by Paragon Solutions was used to target 90 WhatsApp users in two dozen countries, including journalists and civil society members.

"Italy's government confirmed in a statement on Wednesday that seven mobile phone users in the country had been targeted by spyware on WhatsApp, calling the incident "particularly serious"."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgmzdjw24yo

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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No it doesn't — that's a totally different threat model. Advanced Data Protection is mostly concerned with protecting data from attackers on the server and in transit. If you're interested in protections when an attacker has physical access to your device, you should read the "Encryption and Data Protection" section of Apple's Platform Security Guide. Web: https://support.apple.com/guide/security/welcome/web PDF: htt…

In computer security if an adversary is having an unlimited physical access to hardware, it is considered a game over.

The difference is that if the NSA has physical access to my phone, I'm probably aware of it. It makes routine fishing expeditions across broad populations much harder and more expensive, as well as easier to oppose.

If they can fish remotely and automatically, accountability goes completely out the window.

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