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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by mihaaly »

praptak wrote: post #26

Not many companies explicitly prepare for the scenario where every single data storage unit in the company is effectively wiped and you have to redeploy from zero. If you never bootstrap from zero (nor simulate this) then your systems probably have cycles in their deployment dependencies. Your config pusher is deployed from Jenkins/Puppet/Ansible but 2 years ago someone made Jenkins dependent on the config pusher for…

This reminds me of troubles in a parallel universe.

Construction industry have products with typical lifetime of 50+, in some cases multiple hundreds. Computing and digitalization are hot topic now and for the past several decades with various buzzwords (probably 'digital twins' is the newest one) however when I am unable to open construction design files made in the beginning of my career less than 30 years ago due to obsolescence for various reasons then all those efforts seem for nothing eventually beyond immediate needs. Good old outdated 2D drawings seen as unfeasible practice might save the day in the future (... perhaps, assuming that current pdf files could still be opened some decades down the line, as that is a common 'digital paper' approach nowadays, actual physical world paper are used less and less).

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Post by [deleted] »

pferde wrote: post #93
thyristan wrote: post #59

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Almost everything will have cycles in IT. People want and security requires some kind of SSO. Now SSO is a dependency for almost everything, including the administration of underlying systems that run SSO. Same for the network. Same for a lot of things. Bootstrapping from zero will never be easy and will always take some time. I don't think you can prepare your way out of this, short of preparing a fully redundant, f…

This is called "break-glass procedure" in enterprise IT (as in "break glass in case of emergency"), and often consists of independent, normally unused, admin accounts on key systems, access info for which is locked in some safe location, e.g. physical safe in a secure location. Testing this reliably is difficult, though, and often these procedures and their documentation is outdated.

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Post by immibis »

Ray20 wrote: post #242
wltr wrote: post #112

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Keeping the war longer by a decade by not willing to hold your promise is vastly improves things, that’s for sure. Instead of showing the bully the force, be done with that pretty quickly and returning to your non-war economy pretty quickly. Ever considered that option, huh?

Russia has nuclear weapons and good means of delivering them all over the planet. That is a fact of reality that does not allow us to "be done with that pretty quickly".

There is not much evidence that Russia currently has working nuclear weapons, but we'd rather not find out the hard way.

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Post by giantg2 »

more_corn wrote: post #386
rdtsc wrote: post #324

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In which country can the children trust the police?

Japan, England

Can they? I've heard of police in Japan pinning murder cases on people they don't like. I believe there has been some reporting on this related to why thy have such high clearance rates. Don't the police in the UK still have a lot of sexual misconduct scandals?

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

more_corn wrote: post #386
rdtsc wrote: post #324

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In which country can the children trust the police?

Japan, England

In England the police arrests you for a tweet under hate speech laws and they threw the post office workers under the bus to protect the politicians and buggy SW of Fujitsu. Not the place where I'd trust the law enforcement at all.

And Japan, while being clean, safe and Kawai, its legal system has like a 90%+ conviction rate, so make of this what you will.

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Post by ivan_gammel »

sjw987 wrote: post #82
vardump wrote: post #39

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China has been a big winner, it can now get cheap energy and it gets to set Russia whatever conditions it pleases. Russia is now utterly dependent on China for many imports. Russia itself has been the biggest loser. Massive budget deficits, massive inflation. 1M of its smartest people have moved abroad. 1M Russian casualties in the war. Demographics and economy are disastrous. That and Russia is now a pariah state. N…

I mostly agree, except the pariah state part. Russia is hedging that the "pariah state" label will wear off pretty quickly. The current US government has as recently as March floated the idea of normalising business ties, and constantly flip-flops it's position. However, the biggest loser has definitely been Europe (including Britain). High energy prices have cascaded the cost of living crisis, which in turn has led…

On the contrary, Europe (I mean EU, Britain is a different story) is probably the biggest and the only true winner.

Russia may get what it wants, but Europe already got something from it too. 1. Major influx of workforce - many Ukrainians do not intend to go home according to polls 2. Push to a stronger union less dependent on America for defense 3. Push to less dependency on Russian oil and gas (yes, gas could have helped with transition to cleaner energy, but we may be doing well even without it)

Eventually - soon enough - Russian gas will be back. But Europe will come from this war stronger both militarily and politically and more united.

America is clear loser: what a mess it has become. Not being able to do anything with this conflict, it demonstrated that nuclear non-proliferation is dead. Nobody will give up their nuclear weapons now as Ukraine did in 1990s in exchange for empty promises of security guarantees.

Ukraine may have won some political independence at a very high cost and with some strings attached, but it has lost one third of its population and significant part of its territory - forever. And it is likely that it’s not going to get NATO membership. Was all of it worth it?..

Russia is an interesting case here. It‘s going to win. Sanctions don’t work. Foreign reserves are all time high. The economy is suffering mainly from self-inflicted damage, not for external reasons: enormous military budget and insufficient workforce (not least because Central Asian workers are hesitant to work in Russia now and their number was bigger than war casualties). Western brands left the country temporarily and many will come back. It has acquired new territories and will be actively spending there on reconstruction — that’s going to add extra points to GDP. It is hard to say, if the combined economic outcome will be positive or negative. Was it worth it?… It depends who answers. Politically it’s more stable than ever with national-conservatives in power, which is very important, because by 2030s it will be busy with the transition of power (and certainly not attacking NATO in Baltics as some delusional hotheads think). When the war ends it will be able to shift spending to social topics, which + the victory will give the necessary political capital for the transition.

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Post by holoduke »

jajko wrote: post #28
chii wrote: post #17

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> foreign intelligence services gave them a button push so it's not a direct cyber war on Russia meanwhile, russian intelligence services have already directly attacked nato countries, with barely any real deniability.

They have been, in various ways, been attacking NATO countries for past 2 decades. Its simply puttin's modus operandi. Physical attacks on civilian and military infrastructure, murders, meddling with elections, cyber attacks, you name it.

All countries do this. Only propoganda makes you believe its only the enemy doing it. The UK alone had a history of 300 years of enslaving, meddling and brutalizing other countries. I can name at least 50 events from western countries last 2 decades.

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Post by jacquesm »

frou_dh wrote: post #72

I wonder to what extent either side is worried about the firmware on the drones. Somehow getting tampered-with firmware onto the drones that your enemy is using seems like it would be valuable.

Drones are typically flashed minutes before the mission.

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Post by holoduke »

torlok wrote: post #317
paganel wrote: post #94

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So then how come hasn't Article 5 been activated yet? Does that mean that said Article 5 is not even worth the piece of paper it has been written on?

There's no need to respond with force. Russia will lose in the long-term due to sanctions as long as Republicans don't cock everything up even more by making deals with Russians and slowing down trade in the global west. Russians are wasting money and gear in Ukraine and becoming weaker. It's just a matter of time before China starts making claims on land they lost to the Soviets. Russians will lose this war the same…

China will never allow Russia to lose. They know they are next on the list. It seems more that the west in its decline will become less and less relevant. The west needs to understand that they are no longer the only dominant player.

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Post by jacquesm »

barbazoo wrote: post #389
paganel wrote: post #370

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> Thankfully they don’t think it’s worth invoking article 5 over that Is there a threshold anywhere in the NATO treaty that I'm unaware of?

If there wasn't, wouldn't we had WW3 already?

You're arguing with a Romanian russia sympathizer, it is pretty much pointless.
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