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Post by KaiserPro »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #374
tetraodonpuffer wrote: post #324

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there will always be a market for exceptional artists, but what about the other 80-90% of people that used to be able to make a living and now can't anymore? What are they going to do? And without the possibility of a particular profession leading to gainful employment, very few people will even start it, making the funnel smaller and smaller until even exceptional artists won't be able to emerge at all.

We still have amazing master blacksmiths who've reached the pinnacle of the craft despite no economic demand for their skills, so clearly the lack of a market doesn't deter curious people looking for a hobby.

> doesn't deter curious people looking for a hobby.

curious rich people.

Re: The Rise of Whatever

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Post by moritzwarhier »

amiga386 wrote: post #346
moritzwarhier wrote: post #114

Cool post, but: > And the only real hope I have here is that someday, maybe, Bitcoin will be a currency, and circulating money around won’t be the exclusive purview of Froot Loops. Christ PLEASE NO. The only thing this will lead to is people who didn't get rich with this scheme funding the returns of people who bought in early. Whatever BTC becomes, everyone who advocates for funneling public money of people who actu…

But can't you see what he actually wants? He wants normal banking and money transfer... but just to anybody , and for any reason . As an example, he'd like people to be able to pay him to draw bespoke furry porn for them. Or as another example, why can't a US citizen pay an Iranian citizen to do some work for them? (e.g. write a computer program) That is totally possible. The only thing that stands in his way, and dr…

Use the a similar protocol with better properties (less energy consumption, better transaction usability) and start from zero.

Also, I'm not sure if a radical lack of regulation / full decentralization is a good thing when we are talking about money.

In my opinion, money should be regulated by governments.

But this discussion tends to escalate and the arguments have been made ad nauseam, so I'm tuning out here, sorry.

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Post by latexr »

simonw wrote: post #381
latexr wrote: post #351

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> Looks like I was the inspiration for this post then. You were not, as is patently obvious from the sentence preceding your quote (emphasis mine): > Another Bluesky quip I saw earlier today, and the reason I picked up writing this post ( which I’d started last week ) The post had already been started, your comment was simply a reason to continue writing it at that point in time. Had your comment not existed, this po…

For your benefit I will make two minor edits to things I have said. > Looks like I was the inspiration for this post then I replace that with: > Looks like I was the inspiration for finishing this post then And this: > Quitting programming as a career right now because of LLMs would be like quitting carpentry as a career thanks to the invention of the table saw. I can rephrase as: > Quitting programming as a career r…

> For your benefit

If that’s your true impetus, please don’t bother. There’s nothing which benefits me about your words being clearer and less open to misinterpretation. You are, of course, completely welcome to disagree with and ignore my suggestions.

> thanks to the introduction of the table saw.

That makes absolutely no difference at all. And it doesn’t matter anymore either, the harm to your point is already done, no one’s going back to it now to reinterpret it. I was merely pointing out what I see as having gone wrong so you can avoid it in the future. But again, entirely up to you what you do with the feedback.

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Post by immibis »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #360
fhe wrote: post #265

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or turn the food over, or move it to a different position inside the microwave -- the way microwave works is that it heats up the food unevenly (there's a wave involved).

I don’t really think repositioning it has a direct effect. An indirect effect of moving it around is that you turn the microwave off for around 30 seconds or more in order to do it. The reason some parts increase in heat faster is that they have higher concentrations of water; allowing the water to stop boiling and all of the heat to spread through is the magic. (I’ve heard the fans that you hear are there to reflect…

The fan you hear is to keep the microwave generator cool. It's outside the part of the microwave where the microwaves go.

Older microwaves had a fan-like metal stirrer inside the cooking box, that would continuously re-randomize where the waves went. This has been out of fashion for several decades.

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Post by thayne »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #371
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #61

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>LLM isn't like calculator or microwave oven or other technology before. (Like OP's article) But it really is. I would not buy a calculator that hallucinated wrong answers part of the time. Or a microwave oven that told you it grilled the chicken but it didn't and you have to die from Salmonella poisoning.

I would buy a calculator that could help me break down the problem and show my work though, that's the hardest part. I can always double check the numbers, and I would get partial credit for a miscalculation with the right process, but if I can't figure out how to represent the problem mathematically, I'm cooked.

Even if it is wrong half the time, and even when it gives you the right answer the work it shows isn't correct?

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Post by zwnow »

sfn42 wrote: post #382
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #197

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We're talking about places that even after decades haven't recovered. What do you think is happening there right now? There's a common fallacy that tries to argue that it'll be alright over time, no matter what happens. Given enough time, you can also say that about atomic wars. But that won't help the generations that are affected.

If you live in a dead town with no opportunities then you either make your own opportunities or you move to a place with opportunities. If you just sit on your hands complaining about the lack of opportunities then you won't get any sympathy from me. People aren't entitled to live wherever they want, humanity's entire thing is adaptability. So adapt. Life is what you make it.

Humans are entitled to live wherever they want. Capitalists destroying rural regions with false promises (prosperous jobs) is a thing since the industrialization. Should all people move to overrun big cities? Small once established markets are getting destroyed by big discounters or stuff like Amazon. Also adapting is and never was a thing for most people. I dont know where you got that from but this isn't the wild west anymore. People are trying to set up a life for themselves without moving every 2 years. Entitled city person viewpoint.

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Post by immibis »

fsflover wrote: post #361
rcxdude wrote: post #283

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Yeah, I think for crypto to actually turn into something net-positive, Bitcoin needs to lose a lot of value. It would almost certainly be some other network that would actually solve this problem, given Bitcoin's essentially frozen in a half-completed state now (Ethereum still seems to be trying to make something that scales to a point that would be usable, but it is also the nexus of a lot of the scams for the same…

> Bitcoin needs to lose a lot of value Why is that? You can just buy 0.00000001 BTC.

Having currency is only meaningful if the amount of currency someone has correlates, at least loosely, to some kind of merit or work.

Let's say me and my friends agree to carve off 0.00002 BTC supply and pretend that is the whole world of currency. We could run a whole country using that 0.00002 BTC as money. Except that anyone who has 1 BTC can break into our walled garden and, with a tiny fraction of their holdings, buy the entire walled garden, and there's no way to prevent this as long as our money is fungible with theirs. It's the same reason you wouldn't use immibiscoins as a currency: I could just grant myself a zillion of them and buy everything you have. Except that in the case of bitcoin the grant is pre-existing.

Deflationary currencies are fundamentally unstable, just like currencies that one guy can print at will, because they decorrelate quantity and merit.

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Post by squidbeak »

wiseowise wrote: post #249
squidbeak wrote: post #86

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The thing is that at this stage, LLMs, and perhaps AI in other forms, also have careers. Right now they're junior developers. But whose career will develop faster or go further? Theirs? or the new programmer's?

Who cares?

The person who'd chosen programming as a career, if AI overtakes human programmers.

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Post by Attrecomet »

dale_glass wrote: post #127
pjc50 wrote: post #42

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More fundamental question: if everyone can generate an album in an afternoon, why would anyone else listen to any of those? It turns into dust in the long tail.

Anyone can write a comment here in less than a minute. Why should anyone read it? IMO, because it's good in a way or another. I'm not reading your writing because I imagine you toiled over every word of it, but simply because I started reading and it seemed worthwhile to read the rest.

What's implied in the previous comment is that reading a comment takes a few seconds, while listening to an album, or even really enjoying it, takes a higher investment.

Or, to use a different metaphor, these comments are mentally nutritional Doritos, not a nicely prepared restaurant meal. If your restaurant only serves Dorito-level food, I won't go there even if I do consume chips quite often at home.

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