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More on Apple's Trust-Eroding 'F1 the Movie' Wallet Ad

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I feel like we need a CAN SPAM act that includes Smartphone notifications. And gatekeepers like Apple should probably simply be banned from placing any advertisements in push notifications.

The updates Microsoft has been making to add stuff the Windows lockscreen and start menu also seem like they should be at the least legally questionable.

And of course Google practically invented these things.

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Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

2015 Nvidia GTX 970 is such a piece of shit card, no you couldn’t do modern gaming. It has relatively few pipelines, low bandwidth and has no frame generation capability to make anything new playable.

I used one until last year and it worked even for most new games.

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I have never said and rarely thought this before, but I really hope the person who came up with / approved this idea got fired for it. It’s rare that you see something so unbelievably stupid and destructive of the shared pool of trust, which Apple spent 30 years building, only for one self-interested PM to blow a chunk of it up for no gain. If the person who came up with this reads this site, I hope they see this com…

Tim Cook is in charge. This wasn't decided in a bubble. A single person can't do this. It takes a lot of people to do this. A culture that allows this. This wasn't a mistake. It wasn't malicious. It wasn't even the first time. Tim Cook did this, and anyone that can't put the blame on him is lying to themselves.

You’d think he would have learned after that U2 album disaster 11 years ago, clearly not. He’s been doing this kind of stuff since he took over.

It seemed like Jobs used the products and was trying to make stuff that he would want to use. Cook seems like he doesn’t use any of these products, and is willing to sacrifice the user experience to try and make a few extra bucks.

It seems time for some new blood leading Apple. A product person who can get the company back to the core of trying to make insanely great products that people want to use, without compromise.

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#394
This is why i have ALL notifications disabled, no matter the app. Companies, including apple, cannot help themselves but abuse it. Which is insane because it's a useful part of the phone functionality that I have to entirely disable because of greedy disrespectful companies. And there are no controls given to put us back in control.

Apple has lost their taste and lost their respect for users.

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The problem isn't sending an Ad to Wallet. It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads, talk about privacy as fundamental human rights, and then have targeted Ads, in a place / software / services where no body expected it to appear. And not everybody has the Ad, so by HN / Reddit / Internet definition that Ad is targeted. The thing I used to like about Apple, even if you disagree with some of its decis…

I don't think you have it right here.

Was this a targeted ad? Apple doesn't openly attack Ads - they are actively hostile to privacy invasive technology, which I don't think this runs foul of.

The problem isn't that Apple has ads, it's that Apple pushed an ad through Wallet. And in the Settings app. And in all the other untasteful places they spam with these ads.

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My almost 5 year old iPhone 12 does all of this. No issues, no pull towards upgrading except for USB-C.

Not sure why I'd want USB-C and then have to spend a fortune to replace all my existing charger leads with the highly unreliable USB-C ecosystem.

My PS5, iPad, MacBook, Kindle all use USB-C. It sure would be nice to have just one charger.

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#397

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

Is that lack of competence, or lack of motive? Is it a problem from their point of view.

Apple's main user base is not like HN users - not even like the Apple users/advocates here. I have come across many who are too deeply convinced that Apple is hugely ahead of other OSes (often because they assume other OSes capabilities are what they were years ago), and they do not want to adjust to anything that is different from what they are familiar with. They will stay will Apple almost whatever Apple do. Some examples of things Apple users I know have said were advantages of their products:

1. I can copy and paste between my phone and my desktop!

2. There is a terminal app that is so amazing you will want to buy a Mac just to use it. It was roughly similar to terminal apps I have used over many years.

3. If you buy a ticket on your laptop instead of your phone you will have to bring your laptop out to scan at the gate. When I explained my phone syncs selected folders with my laptop the reply was "that is so complicated".

Only the first comment came from a person who is not comfortable with technology - obviously in the case of the second comment!

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Apple has reverted to being a regular company. Everything is a potential revenue stream, and decisions are made based on next-quarter ROI. They needed the movie investment to meet the targets, so they've synergized with the Wallet team.

Google too. I wish the fact that every company enshittifies in the end would wake us all up to the fact that rampant unregulated capitalism just doesn't work before it's too late to make any changes at all.

It's rampant unregulated capitalism that feeds the whole lifecycle:

- company started in garage

- makes first sales

- gets popular

- gets investors

- becomes huge, changing the world of computing

- enshittifies

- gets replaced by the next company that was started in a garage somewhere

A good system is not one that preserves Apple or IBM or Xerox.

A good system is one that allows these companies to come and go, because in the end we want the consumer to keep winning.

Apple enshittifying is bad for everyone in the short term, but it opens the door for whatever comes next.

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Jobs has been gone for almost 15 years. From what I know Ive had nothing to do with anything but design aesthetic. I am not sure either of these people have anything to do with ads on Apple Wallet. Or even Apple Wallet…

The entire reason Apple made devices that were a level above competitors is because the design wasn’t just the aesthetic. Ive was chief designer and so obviously had a key impact.

It might be a complete misinterpretation but it seems like Ive went completely haywire when Job's was gone with the ultra thin, portless, overheating Macs with a crappy keyboards and pointless touch bars that sort of looked cool but provided no other real value.

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Interesting. I feel like this clause is violated very often by major apps: > Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages.

As soon as I see one violation, I turn off the notification permission altogether. For example the Amazon shopping app can't send me notifications.

Why not just use the mobile website then? An app icon is itself equivalent to having a billboard on your homescreen. What is the app providing besides notifications that necessitates its use?
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