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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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> Do you see an out for Khamenei et al? They can’t credibly dismantle their nuclear deterrent and expect to keep their heads. Israel and America cannot accept it, particularly now that its conventional defences have been shown ineffective Honestly, I don’t think the American people have the stomach for another Middle Eastern war, and Israel has shown in the past that if you recognize their right to exist in some form…

> the American people have the stomach for another Middle Eastern war, Sure they do. It's another faraway TV war. Trump is just pretending like he s hesitating to ease his fundamentalist MAGA base into it.

> Sure they do. It's another faraway TV war. Trump is just pretending like he s hesitating to ease his fundamentalist MAGA base into it

Nobody wants war. We've re-labelled military maneuver with words that aren't spelled W-A-R. Because, in a perverse way, both "preëmptive strike" and "genocide" are less loaded--emotionally and historically--than war.

But it's still war. War means you die. War means everything you love will die. The things you spent a lifetime building, from paintings to companies to relationships with neighbors and children and pets. They will all die. War means the entropy we ought to have bequeathed to our successors gets spun up to-day.

Then it's over. New generation. Nobody remembers. The drums start beating again. Almost as if by design. Pulses of competition, if one had to be generous.

If there is a single adjuvant to reviving these martial tones, it's the notion that this time is different. That everyone, this time, is just pretending to want to kill each other. That the consent is manufactured. It's not. It's real. We're singing it together.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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But the Democrats/liberals also don't want a war, especially one that vaguely supports Israel. Very few people in America are anything less than strongly opposed, just a few Iran hawks.

We re about to find out in the following days

> We re about to find out in the following days

No, we're not. Not wanting war isn't the same as being willing to sacrifice your livelihood to stop it.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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If you want actual security, don't use a phone and run your own server, likely Matrix.

Security strength is not a binary measure, there are many levels of security between "no encryption at all" to "run your own server".

Not really in the space we're discussing, i.e. usian and iranian everyday phone applications. Small private actors aren't going to pop the TLS on messages anyway, and the states involved have or can compromise the system as such.

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Ha. This is why the best lawyers in the world work for these people. Over drinks, when I brought up some of the blatant dark patterns in the ad market, someone who worked at one of the biggest companies in the world responded to me bluntly: "yeah, sure, but have we ever lost a case in court over click fraud? No, we have not."

Correct. The best liers like the best bullies are really good at assessing risk. They're honest in close when they sense they're butt is not on the line.

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> nations near Israel to be successful, I'm guessing that doesn't include Turkey or the rich oil arab states.

Actually they're already "joking" on Israeli TV that Turkey is next, and AEI is on the case making it clear we may need to go to war to take out Turkey next. https://x.com/clashreport/status/1935078004230865094 https://www.aei.org/op-eds/israel-iran-war-dry-run-for-a-fut...

you going to omit that erdogan been threatening israel first ?

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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This is no surprise. I raised the flag last year on Whatsapp being used as part of the genocide in Gaza [1] following the +972 article [2] on Lavender.

This was an opportunity for Meta to signal that it wasn't in support of its technologies being used this way, to do top-to-bottom public audit of how this came to be and to prevent it from ever happening again.

Instead, Meta had an incredibly scummy response [3]. They said that "WhatsApp has no backdoors". A "backdoor" and a vulnerability are different, and Meta at the time knew [4] that it had a vulnerability which could have been used in that exact situation (since all Gazan telecoms are surveilled by Israel).

Given Meta's senior leadership is pro-Israel, with their CISO being former Israeli intelligence, and with them massively putting their thumb on the scales to shut down pro-Palestinian activism [5][6][7][8] (including shutting down dissent of it internally [9]).

Now, Meta is aligning with the US military [10], and with the Trump administration [11] which is trying to support a war against Iran that Israel started.

Literally any country which is not US/West aligned should be actively moving their citizenry off Meta.

[1] https://blog.paulbiggar.com/meta-and-lavender/ [2] https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/ [3] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240418-israel-using-meta... [4] https://theintercept.com/2024/05/22/whatsapp-security-vulner... [5] https://7amleh.org/storage/meta/Erased%20and%20Suppressed%20... [6] https://theintercept.com/2024/10/21/instagram-israel-palesti... [7] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c786wlxz4jgo [8] https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/report-a... [9] https://7amleh.org/storage/Advocacy%20Reports/Delete%20the%2... [10] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-army-tech-executives/ [11] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8j9e1x9z2xo

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Russian soldiers participating in SMO reported multiple times that after they exchange texts and photos with their relatives in WhatsApp, that information ends up in Ukrainian military HQs next day. With photos. And later used, for example, to harass the relatives of the soldier. Could be some other mechanism (e.g. Google Drive or some other kind of malware), hard to be sure in the world, where since 2011 Snowden's r…

> Could be some other mechanism if it was it would be true for telegram as well.

After arrest of Durov in France I think the same. Doesn't change the fact that any single Russian soldier is not using WhatsApp. It's considered compromised with very convincing evidence, along with some other apps (I don't remember all the names, possible to find in military news channels if you know Russian).

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E2E encryption does not protect against any of this. Whatsapp can still decrypt messages locally and feed back information to meta.

TBF, no-one's as-yet found a Meta binary doing this.

you mean things like having a localhost server running on android service to bypass tracking restrictions and run all of your stuff illegally?

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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I kind of suspect this is more a desperate regime on the brink of (at least military) collapse grasping at straws. Potentially they might be worried about anti-regime activists organizing on whatsapp and want to push people to more easily monitoriable alternatives. If iran knew meta was doing this for a long time, then it raises the question of why they are just asking people to delete it now. One would presume that…

It is also about sending a message to the population (no pun intended), about uniting them against a common enemy. Dictators want people to believe that their enemy is also the enemy of the people.
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