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Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by conradev »

leoh wrote: post #385
conradev wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the reasons OrbStack is so great is because they implement their own hypervisor: https://orbstack.dev/ Apple’s stack gives you low-level access to ARM virtualization, and from there Apple has high-level convenience frameworks on top. OrbStack implements all of the high-level code themselves.

How does it compare to apple’s hv?

Better filesystem support (https://orbstack.dev/blog/fast-filesystem) and memory utilization (https://orbstack.dev/blog/dynamic-memory)

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by cromka »

guybedo wrote: post #382

looks like there isn't much to take away from this, here's a few bullet points: Apple Intelligence models primarily run on-device, potentially reducing app bundle sizes and the need for trivial API calls. Apple's new containerization framework is based on virtual machines (VMs) and not a true 'native' kernel-level integration like WSL1. Spotlight on macOS is widely perceived as slow, unreliable, and in significant ne…

App Store control is something that EU is challenging, including on iPads. So while there’s no macOS APIs on ipadOS, I can totally see 3rd party solutions running macOS apps (and Linux or Windows, too) in a VM and outputting the result as now regular iPad windowed apps.

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Post by cjrd »

visiondude wrote: post #44

Excited to try these out and see benchmarks. Expectations for on device small local model should be pretty low but let’s see if Apple cooked up any magic here.

some benchmarks here: https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/apple-foundation-...

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Post by pzo »

gdubs wrote: post #238

There's a different thread if you want to wax about Fluid Glass etc [1], but there's some really interesting new improvements here for Apple Developers in Xcode 26. The new foundation frameworks around generative language model stuff looks very swift-y and nice for Apple developers. And it's local and on device. In the Platforms State of the Union they showed some really interesting sample apps using it to generate d…

I might we wrong but I guess this will only works on iphone 16 devices and iphone 15 pro - thus drastically limits your user base and you would still have to use online API for most apps. I was hoping they provide free ai api on their private cloud for other devices even if also running small models

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Post by 9dev »

pjmlp wrote: post #278
9dev wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it really matter, tho?

Some people think it matters to properly learn history, instead of urban myths.

History is one thing, who-did-it-first is often just a way to make a point in faction debates. In the broader picture, it makes little difference IMHO.

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Post by torginus »

12_throw_away wrote: post #212
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

FWIW, here are the repos for the CLI tool [1] and backend [2]. Looks like it is indeed VM-based container support (as opposed to WSLv1-style syscall translation or whatever): Containerization provides APIs to: [...] - Create an optimized Linux kernel for fast boot times. - Spawn lightweight virtual machines. - Manage the runtime environment of virtual machines. [1] https://github.com/apple/container [2] https://githu…

I'm kinda ignorant about the current state of Linux VMs, but my biggest gripe with VMs is that OS kernels kind of assume they have access to all the RAM the hardware has - unlike the reserve/commit scheme processes use for memory.

Is there a VM technology that can make Linux aware that it's running in a VM, and be able to hand back the memory it uses to the host OS?

Or maybe could Apple patch the kernel to do exactly this?

Running Docker in a VM always has been quite painful on Mac due to the excess amount of memory it uses, and Macs not really having a lot of RAM.

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Post by KolibriFly »

chakintosh wrote: post #46

Some 15 years ago, A friend of mine said to me "mark my words, Apple will eventually merge OSX with iOS on the iPad". And with every passing keynote since then, it seemed Apple's been inching towards that prophecy, and today, the iPad has become practically a MacBook Air with a touch screen. Unless you were a video editor, programmer who needs resources to compile or a 3D artist, I don't see how you'd need anything o…

I still find iPadOS frustrating for certain "pro" workflows. File management, windowing, background tasks - all still feel half-baked compared to macOS. It's like Apple's trying to protect the simplicity of iOS while awkwardly grafting on power-user features

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Post by KolibriFly »

losvedir wrote: post #79
chakintosh wrote: post #46

Some 15 years ago, A friend of mine said to me "mark my words, Apple will eventually merge OSX with iOS on the iPad". And with every passing keynote since then, it seemed Apple's been inching towards that prophecy, and today, the iPad has become practically a MacBook Air with a touch screen. Unless you were a video editor, programmer who needs resources to compile or a 3D artist, I don't see how you'd need anything o…

I don't use an iPad much, but it's been interesting to watch from afar how it's been changing over these years. They could have gone the direction of just running MacOS on it, but clearly they don't want to. I have a feeling that the only reason MacOS is the way it is, is because of history. If they were building a laptop from scratch, they would want it more in their walled garden. I'm curious to see what a "power u…

Yeah, it's like we're watching two parallel evolution paths: macOS dragging its legacy along, and iPadOS trying to reinvent "productivity" from first principles, within Apple's tight design sandbox.

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Post by KolibriFly »

mohsen1 wrote: post #41

iPad update is going to encourage a new series of folks trying to use iPads for general programming. I'm curious how it goes this time around. I'm cautiously optimistic

I think the story might actually be changing this time
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