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Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by lucideer »

stevenwoo wrote: post #333

Related trivia (he mentions he worked on low budget shows prior to this), 650 million dollar budget for show's two seasons or 26-27 million per episode: https://www.indiewire.com/news/general-news/andor-tony-gilro... For reference, Rings of Power, Jupiter's Legacy and Citadel (US version) cost about twice as much per episode on Amazon, and Game of Thrones on HBO started at five to six million per episode and went up…

I haven't seen the rest of your comparators but twice as much for Rings of Power - one of the cheapest looking fantasy/scifi shows I've seen in some time - is shocking.

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Post by dragonwriter »

alextingle wrote: post #390
JohnBooty wrote: post #381

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Yeah. For that level of resources they probably could have just had ten Star Destroyers orbiting every known inhabited planet. But real-world warfare history is full of these expensive disasters that, in hindsight, were spectacularly dumb ideas. I don't think the Death Star was meant to be practical. More of a terror weapon or trump card, akin in some ways to nuclear weapons whose true value transcends their practica…

The US Navy has aircraft carriers, which are every bit as ridiculous as a Death Star. They are utterly useless against well armed opponents. But they still got built, for good political, and psychological reasons that have nothing to do with cost effectiveness.

> The US Navy has aircraft carriers, which are every bit as ridiculous as a Death Star.

They aren't ridiculous in the real world. They are in some theoretical worlds with alternate assumptions about what wars actually happen, but...

> They are utterly useless against well armed opponents.

They are quite useful, though, against the opponents that the US has actually fought against since WWII, though, which are mostly not with opponents that would be “well-armed” in the sense needed to make your claim true, are often also outside of the effective force projection radius of such opponents, and often would be inconvenient for US force projection without having convenient sea-mobile airbases with a air wing the same rough size as the median national air force.

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Post by clayhacks »

sho_hn wrote: post #179
lucideer wrote: post #150

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It's not part of the main storyline of Luke's journey as an individual & the Jedi order but it is a very big part of one of the main storylines of a ragtag bunch of rebels sticking it to the empire. A storyline which I'd argue was strongest in A New Hope & the initial trilogy & was weakened by the increased focus on individual storylines in the anakin & rey trilogies.

I'd say this is giving the Anakin trilogy an unfair shake: While I don't enjoy watching the prequels much for being clumsy films, you have to hand it to Lucas for trying to significantly expand his space opera by adding in galactical politics, etc. Any thrust to make Star Wars about ideology and governance (and specifically parliamentary democracy vs. facism) really came from the prequels, and arguably you couldn't h…

There is politics in the original trilogy. It’s just more thematic than literal political manoeuvring. The story of a rag tag group of rebels fighting against a massive entrenched empire is a political one by nature. And Lucas has directly stated his inspiration for that dynamic was the Vietnam war. And spoiler alert America isn’t the rebels. I think Andor does a great job of fleshing out the more day to day feelings of being in an era of rebellion against an empire bent on domination

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Post by fragmede »

QuiEgo wrote: post #190
xorcist wrote: post #132

What I don't understand is how film crews can work together when they are larger than two pizza teams? And when they want to change something, it's almost like they just do it? Surely they have to file a ticket with the Product Owner first? And why don't they wait until the current sprint is done before doing things that clearly belongs to the next one? Why do the producer run around speaking in precise terms when he…

> two pizza teams Found the Amazonian. It’s amazing how the corporate jargon seeps in, no matter how hard you try :). In some ways, deciding to work there is definitely a one way door.

Or just anyone who's read https://martinfowler.com/bliki/TwoPizzaTeam.html

Re: Cinematography of “Andor”

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Post by fmajid »

ninkendo wrote: post #249
ghaff wrote: post #6

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For quite a while, the further the films/series are separated from the original trilogy, the better they seem to be.

I maintain that the Jedi are the most boring thing about Star Wars, and the less about them we hear in a story, the better. Andor managed to go the whole series run without a single lightsaber going brrr, and it’s the best Star Wars outside of the original trilogy. The empire is a compelling thing to make stories about, and what Andor does well is actually make the whole thing believable. It’s not a bunch of cackling…

What I really liked about The Acolyte is that it showed how evil the Jedi really are behind their holier-than-thou propaganda.

Whoever governs really should implement a R&D program to eradicate the midi-chlorian infestation and rid the galaxy of the scourge of both Jedi and Sith in one fell swoop.

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Post by ahartmetz »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #111
rendall wrote: post #70

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I felt like The Mandalorian was a step above its nearest best of Star Wars TV. Andor is a step above that.

I'm on both sides of the fence with early Mandalorian. I need to watch it again until it jumps the shark because I don't know how early it did that. The latter episodes were incredibly laboured, with the narrative being spelt out, as if to a child, by various characters. I think it may have always been like that, but the look and feel overwhelmed the ridiculous dialogue for a while. If they were more clever with the…

As far as I'm concerned, The Mandalorian started out silly (Manadalorian honor code / the fucking helmet!), disjointed and boring, then there was that garbage episode where he randomly defends a village from Bad Guys, then I gave up on it.

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Post by fmajid »

clayhacks wrote: post #393
sho_hn wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say this is giving the Anakin trilogy an unfair shake: While I don't enjoy watching the prequels much for being clumsy films, you have to hand it to Lucas for trying to significantly expand his space opera by adding in galactical politics, etc. Any thrust to make Star Wars about ideology and governance (and specifically parliamentary democracy vs. facism) really came from the prequels, and arguably you couldn't h…

There is politics in the original trilogy. It’s just more thematic than literal political manoeuvring. The story of a rag tag group of rebels fighting against a massive entrenched empire is a political one by nature. And Lucas has directly stated his inspiration for that dynamic was the Vietnam war. And spoiler alert America isn’t the rebels. I think Andor does a great job of fleshing out the more day to day feelings…

The Simpsons had it right when they parodied Episode 2 as a boring story about redistricting.

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Post by fknorangesite »

jimbokun wrote: post #342
twodave wrote: post #99

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I agree. Especially in the originals, everything just sort of “works out” for the protagonist(s). The bad guys don’t aim well, fly well or really do anything great. And that’s fine because that is era of cinema Star Wars came from. In Andor the empire is smart, calculated, deadly and just plain scary—nearly to a visceral degree, if you allow yourself to be absorbed into the story. And despite how good Andor (and Rogu…

One aspect I didn't realize though watching it as a kid is they only escape the Death Star because Vader WANTS them to escape. So he can follow them back to the Secret Rebel Base.

It's not exactly subtle. Leia says it outright:

> Leia: They let us go. It was the only reason for the ease of our escape.

> Han: Easy? You call that easy?

> Leia: They're tracking us.

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Post by fknorangesite »

gmueckl wrote: post #180
JKCalhoun wrote: post #52

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"The Force" never sat well with me. It was the one weird supernatural thing in the Star Wars universe that pushed the whole franchise into "magic" territory. The less Force, the better in my opinion. Save super-powers for comic-book movies.

Star Wars was never science fiction. It has always been treated as fantasy with space ships by its creators. The nature of its setting is really much closer to Harry Potter than e.g. the Expanse.

Surely by now we must be tired of this kind of pointless hair-splitting.
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