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Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by spacemadness »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #89
arcbyte wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say this as a firm conservative. The courts have so far been outstanding, despite all the inappropriate pressure. I have no doubt they will continue to be. I'm also quite impressed with conservative voters who are speaking out to their conservative representatives. Ultimately though, despite many many calls not to do so, Congress has goven the executive branch unheard of powers. Executive power needs to be reigned…

The funny thing is, that the GOP is not "conservative," in any way, whatsoever. They are extreme. The definition of "conservative" means "not-extreme." It is not just "not-liberal." It means being thoughtful, cautious, sticking with the mainstream, learning from the past, not discarding learned wisdom, etc. Things like anti-abortion, hate-brown-people, put-women-back-in-the-kitchen-or-the-bedroom etc. stuff is often…

I’m not in any way a conservative, but it’s a absolutely abhorrent that we’re constantly gaslit into believing conservative means chaos and abrupt change at any cost to own the libs. It takes the fear of change that is part of conservatism and ramps it up into a full blown delusion. What conservative would want massive change all at once and throwing caution to the wind? Like you said, that’s not typical conservative behavior, it’s extremist and fascist behavior. Unfortunately, conservatives went all in on supporting extremists and here we are.

Re: Corporation for Public Broadcasting Statement Regarding Executive Order

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Post by UncleMeat »

laborcontract wrote: post #79
UncleMeat wrote: post #54

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FDR's major lasting accomplishments that people praise him for were through legislation. Even things like the threat to pack the court would have happened through legislation. There are some highly visible examples of direct executive action that I hope everyone today sees as authoritarian (japanese internment being the really big one). But FDR's expansion of the executive is the opposite of what Trump is doing. Trum…

The internment of the Japanese cannot be brushed off. That was a gross violation of power that, if Trump were to do something similar, would tear this country apart. On top of that, one of the side effects of the internment is that it's sowed a deep distrust in the federal government and the Census that continues to harm representation to this day. They used Census data to round people up. It doesn't get much worse t…

Of course. It is one of the most evil things the US government has ever done and was driven largely by the executive. I personally think that this is a big enough black mark on FDR's legacy that he shouldn't be held in such high regard by liberals.

But is also undeniable that when liberals praise FDR they are talking about things like new deal legislation which ultimately originated from congress during his presidency, which makes the "well you guys like FDR so why do you hate Trump" argument just miss completely.

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Post by LPisGood »

FredPret wrote: post #363
LPisGood wrote: post #339

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That was not the official position of NPR the organization or even an opinion piece by an NPR employee, it was an interview with an author.

This is known as platforming

That’s true, they had someone on for an interview. If that’s your biggest gripe, some random topical interview they had several years ago, then I’m not really sure what you’re looking for.

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Post by tzs »

alabastervlog wrote: post #129
whodidntante wrote: post #104

I watch/listen to a variety of news sources - CNN, Fox News, NPR, NYTimes, WSj, as well as a number of smaller podcasts and substacks. There are no longer "unbiased" news sources, all sources have moved to either the left or right. I used to have respect for NPR, today it is, to me, the Fox News of the left, and no different than other sources. I do not have a problem with that, it is what it is. But it should not be…

> the Fox News of the left When I watch Fox News it's usually pretty easy to spot several things that are simply made-up per day. Including entire stories. You hear much of that on NPR? [EDIT] FWIW I think NPR news is god-awful, because they focus way too much on horse-race politics crap and Monday-morning quarterbacking campaigns, I suppose because they're so scared shitless by accusations of bias that they prefer t…

During the campaign for the 2016 Republican nomination for President they actually dropped several negative stories that their reporters assigned to the Trump campaign submitted, because their reporters assigned to the Cruz, Rubio, etc. campaigns were submitting a much lower percentage of negative stories and they assume the difference must be due to some flaw in their reporting.

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Post by ta1243 »

pjc50 wrote: post #198
arcbyte wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say this as a firm conservative. The courts have so far been outstanding, despite all the inappropriate pressure. I have no doubt they will continue to be. I'm also quite impressed with conservative voters who are speaking out to their conservative representatives. Ultimately though, despite many many calls not to do so, Congress has goven the executive branch unheard of powers. Executive power needs to be reigned…

> Congress has goven the executive branch unheard of powers. Executive power needs to be reigned in tightly and then Congressional power needs to reigned in as well. We need to push for Federalism. Sensible people will realize that separation of powers means nothing when the same party holds both powers. R House + R senate + R SCOTUS + R executive => unlimited executive power.

The problem with democratic elections to executive, house and senate is they all follow the "will of the people". In America there is a bit of a lag, but ultimately you still get to the two-wolf one-sheep tyranny of the masses.

The only brake on this is the SCOTUS, but that only works when you actually have a scotus that is empowered to uphold the constitution.

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Post by thisisit »

whodidntante wrote: post #104

I watch/listen to a variety of news sources - CNN, Fox News, NPR, NYTimes, WSj, as well as a number of smaller podcasts and substacks. There are no longer "unbiased" news sources, all sources have moved to either the left or right. I used to have respect for NPR, today it is, to me, the Fox News of the left, and no different than other sources. I do not have a problem with that, it is what it is. But it should not be…

> There are no longer "unbiased" news sources, all sources have moved to either the left or right.

> Try listening to the president of NPR at the congressional hearing and then her interview on NPR done shortly after that hearing. For the former, she was unable/unwilling to express any opinions, nor was she able to recall anything she personally said/posted for the past two years. For the latter, she was fed a series of flattering softball questions clearly made to make her and NPR look good. That is not news or reporting, it was NPR doing PR for NPR.

These two statements don't go hand in hand. It makes it sound like previously media people were robots without opinions. They only had "unbiased" coverage on their minds. And now, because the head of a company like the president of NPR has opinions, we should write off the whole org. They can no longer be considered "unbiased".

Lets be real. There was always a bias in media. Sometimes it was used by the government to spread an agenda. This isn't a recent trend. You don't need to find an NPR PR interview for that.

What is new though is people engaging in false balance and bothsideism. Sure, NPR President might have some leftist view. And sure, they might have a leftist lean to their reporting. The question is whether it is "Fox News of the left". Objectively, no. There is no proof for example, that the company knowingly spread lies and when in court admitted to it and paid a $787 million dollar settlement. You can still dislike their coverage but lets not pretend there is equivalency here.

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Post by ta1243 »

hwillis wrote: post #260
throwawaymaths wrote: post #125

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the scotus (and, notably, conservative lower federal judges) has ruled pretty firmly against trump on the abrego garcia case.

On the grounds that he should have been sent to literally any other country, totally inapplicable to any of the other cases without specific preexisting orders against ES specifically. And notably they have outlined exactly nothing except that the administration had better say how they plan to get him back- the SCOTUS response to the executive saying "we have no plan" was just to say again that they wanted to know th…

> The government is imprisoning people indefinitely (forever?) for unproven allegations and misdemeanors. They should be able to file habeas petitions for unlawful imprisonment. The courts are doing fuck all about it because the government is contracting to a foreign country to physically imprison them. That's crazy.

This doesn't sound too dissimilar from the Guantanamo bay situation, which Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden all kept going

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Post by bigyabai »

testing22321 wrote: post #293
beardedwizard wrote: post #42

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I'm a big supporter of NPR but you don't need to look hard to see their progressive bias.

It’s utterly mind blowing how facts and the truth are now labeled a “progressive bias” in the US. It’s like you have to cover stuff up, deny and lie to be a conservative.

> It’s like you have to cover stuff up, deny and lie to be a conservative.

Depends which conservative is the president, now.

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Post by ta1243 »

ncr100 wrote: post #331
yubblegum wrote: post #147

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> The US is so weird right now. The weirdness started in 90s. First it was cultural (TV in 90s, Jerry Springer et al). Then it was electoral (hanging Chads anyone?). Then it was constitutional (Patriot Act). Then it was psychological (all those spooks running various "alt" Q etc.). And now it is lobotomy time. Took almost 3 decades but here we are.

I speculate it started in the 1950s. There was a move to make Business about numbers over People, per my Grandpa's "Back In My Day" speeches he used to give me. He blamed the MBA (no offense to MBAs) for encouraging money-over-people thinking. This then leads to GOP appearing to value winning political power for itself over building a healthy society, in my view.

Probably around the time your Gradpa started paying attention (post ww2). The 1920s and the great depression were hardly non-weird times.

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Post by pjc50 »

voakbasda wrote: post #92
andrewl wrote: post #50

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Weird is not the term for it. I'd say suspension of due process is terrifying .

I have been saying for decades that the most active terrorist organization in the United States is… the US government.

One of those cases where it's very, very important the "the government" isn't a unified block, but a collection of a very large number of staff spread across a very large number of organizations. Only some of which have gone rogue.
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