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Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by mm263 »

catapart wrote: post #228

Posting for the unaware, without commentary on the content - just an FYI because it's something that matters to me, at least: https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html

This makes Vlad look much better than the poster thinks. It's ridiculous that the poster is dishing out, but when Vlad offers discussion (not even criticism!) they are like "oh no, I'm just a little nobody getting HARASSED by a powerful and might CEO". They can't take even the mildest disagreement, let alone criticism.

People need to stop posting this blog post as if it's something incriminating, or even negative. I'm sure if GDPR is violated, Kagi will sort it out with their lawyers, but as of now I don't see what exactly are we worrying about. For me it's neither GDPR nor Vlad's "appalling" behaviour and if it's neither, this whole blog is utterly useless

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by tim333 »

28304283409234 wrote: post #197
rafram wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a search for "avi to mp4": - Google shows CloudConvert, then some helpful Reddit threads, then Ask Ubuntu, then some spammy SEO-optimized converter websites. - Kagi shows CloudConvert, then pages and pages of spammy SEO-optimized converter websites. Google clearly wins there.

Happy paying customer of Kagi here. because to me intention counts. Kagi has the explicit intention to serve me their best results. Google has the explicit intention to get me to click on their customers results. Happy to pay kagi.

I think Google has the intention to get you to click on their ads. Which they can achieve by providing ok search results.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by schrectacular »

jetbalsa wrote: post #146
schrectacular wrote: post #59

I just had a free month on them. It was great but for me the plans are weird. 300 searches a month is _probably_ enough but the fact that I'm on a countdown makes me super cagey with my searches. And I want to want to use the service if that makes sense. I'm not opposed to paying (I pay for email) and I know they share the reasons for the pricing, but my email account is something like $3 a month. I guess this is a l…

I guess I'm a power user, I'm at > Total searches this period 1,216 > Assistant interactions this period 92 I feel the 25$ is worth it for a product that I use this much and along with knowing the costs of trying to keep all this stuff alive at the smaller scale can be hard. until they get much larger I don't expect the prices to go down.

Strangely (or maybe not based on how pricing economics work) this is the most appealing tier.

Thanks for the reply, it is helpful .

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by thmoonbus »

tumdum_ wrote: post #310
thmoonbus wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has several friends and family who work in the mid / lower tiers of the entertainment industry... if you want to pirate, fine, but don't act like you're performing a noble act. Are entertainment execs grossly overpaid and exploitative? Sure - not unlike many industries. But lower revenue and lower subscriber numbers do have an impact on the money that trickles down (yes, trickles, sadly) to employees.…

You should be more worried about Meta doing piracy than individuals: https://torrentfreak.com/meta-torrented-over-81-tb-of-data-t...

I agree, and I am?

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by freediver »

ac29 wrote: post #273
al_borland wrote: post #92

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Also worth noting, the Kagi assistant is now available to all paid Kagi users. This gives you conversational chat with a few ChatGPT models, Gemini, Llamas, Nova, Deepseek, and other. https://kagi.com/assistant Additional details on the blog post about it. https://blog.kagi.com/assistant-for-all

> https://kagi.com/assistant Its subtly annoying that assistant.kagi.com doesnt work but translate.kagi.com does

We heard you!

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by schrectacular »

carlosjobim wrote: post #212
schrectacular wrote: post #59

I just had a free month on them. It was great but for me the plans are weird. 300 searches a month is _probably_ enough but the fact that I'm on a countdown makes me super cagey with my searches. And I want to want to use the service if that makes sense. I'm not opposed to paying (I pay for email) and I know they share the reasons for the pricing, but my email account is something like $3 a month. I guess this is a l…

What is the connection between your e-mail account and a search engine? Should the price of a glass of juice in a bar be equivalent to the price of gas for a car? > I guess this is a long winded way of saying I'm cheap? I think it is. If something isn't worth even $10 per month to me, then I would never think about that thing again.

Fair point. The analogy is confusing but probably because it involves hydrocarbon subsidies... I mean how is the gas cheaper?! It makes no sense.

I'm sure my playful sarcasm above doesn't come through well, but thanks for the reply it is helpful.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by II2II »

neogodless wrote: post #110

About a year ago, I tried the free 300 search trial. I liked it, but wasn't ready to commit to the expense. This year, they offered me a free 30 day unlimited trial, so I'm about 10 days into that. I've only used 128 searches so far. What I seem to find is that I use it, get to what I'm looking for, and move on. So it's not really on my mind. But it's subtly refreshing to spend less time fighting search to get what I…

> I don't like the 300 search limit, because it scratches my brain - "do I need to search for this? can I find it some other way? should I just use duckduckgo for this search?"

I have been using the free 300 search trial for several months now, and have not found it limiting. In a way, it highlights the strength of the search engine since I devote more time to reading the sites it directs me to than sifting through search results or refining my query. In other words, I am spending less time searching and more time pursuing the fruits of those searches. I am also okay with the idea of using different search engines for different purposes. I have a general idea of which queries will produce good results on DDG or Google, and use those search engines in those cases. I also have a general idea of which queries will generate terrible results on DDG or Google, and reach for Kagi in those cases.

> I'm largely allergic to subscriptions. Still, if I can spend $360/year on Disney/Hulu/Max, I should be able to upgrade my search experience.

I am allergic to subscriptions, which is likely why I am working within the bounds of Kagi's free trial for as long as I can. Once I have used up those queries, there will be a decision to make. Thankfully they are advertising $5/month for 300 queries. It's something that I can live with, even if I do go hog-wild with queries using the model that I have settled upon. Still, I have to get over that allergy first.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by lillecarl »

Thrymr wrote: post #387
idiotsecant wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's sort of the nature of sandwiches. You have to keep paying for them if you want to keep eating them.

The nature of subscriptions is that you keep paying for them forever whether you're eating them or not. Maybe you forgot about your sandwiches and they're just piling up on your doorstep.

Kagi implemented automatic pausing on your subscription if you don't use it, so it's actually not the same here.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by thmoonbus »

alextingle wrote: post #390
thmoonbus wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has several friends and family who work in the mid / lower tiers of the entertainment industry... if you want to pirate, fine, but don't act like you're performing a noble act. Are entertainment execs grossly overpaid and exploitative? Sure - not unlike many industries. But lower revenue and lower subscriber numbers do have an impact on the money that trickles down (yes, trickles, sadly) to employees.…

Shoplifting and copyright violation are not comparable. Most of us on this site produce copyrighted works for money. Many of us are pretty knowledgable about how copyright works, as it's an integral part of our livelihood. So please don't try to promulgate that weird media industry propaganda here.

Ah yeah the weird propaganda that people labor to make creative output, and if you value that output and have the means, you should consider paying for it.

Also, read what I wrote: "if you want to pirate, fine, but don't act like you're performing a noble act". What specifically bugs me is less so the act - I assume few among us haven't engaged in illegal streaming, paywall bypassing, password sharing etc. - it's the weird contortions people go through to frame piracy as a noble endeavor vs. just admitting they're being too cheap to pay for something.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by layoric »

Been using Kagi for about 18 months, and IMO well worth it. It does what is says on the tin, it's a search. You use it, it provides good results, and you're done. No fighting with ads, no making you automatically skipping the first few results because you know from experience they are promoted. You control what experience you want with specific domains. Privacy pass means you don't even have to be logged in.

One gripe would be trying to use other features while using privacy pass. Eg, maps doesn't seem to work. They are regularly improving the experience though. And that's a key difference. Google is getting worse for their ad revenue, Kagi is getting better for paying customers.

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