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Post by haswell »

username135 wrote: post #387
haswell wrote: post #306

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I think there’s an even bigger issue than this. Many people would not know how to live under such a system. By this, I mean that I strongly believe people would become severely depressed or insanely stir crazy. I’ve been on an extended sabbatical after 20 years in tech. The first year was magical. “I could do this forever” I told myself, and actually considered it. The second year was more complicated. I could feel m…

This is literally me, but Im half way through year two and I feel like the ground is slowly getting thinner beneath me.

The thing I would tell my former self is this: pivot now. Waiting may make things harder. Don’t assume it will sort itself out. And if you can find a good therapist, it can be extremely helpful.

Actively seek out something that provides structure and consistency, even if that’s not work. Something that keeps you in regular contact with other people.

I had started to look into various volunteering opportunities but didn’t take action before my major slide. In retrospect I think I’d have been better off if I did.

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Post by stavros »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #370
stavros wrote: post #318

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Doesn't DistroKid (or CDBaby) cost like $20? Last time I looked to upload something, that's the price I saw.

Why does it cost anything? Imagine if to upload to YouTube you had to pay a company that's an arm of Paramount Pictures $20.

But that's not the same as "you need a label because you can't self-publish on Spotify". You can if you have $20, so that's not a reason why we don't see more successful self-published artists.

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Post by voidspark »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #122
jagaerglad wrote: post #84

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I don't think there would be any art or writing to do if there was absolutely no "laundry and dishes", conflict, either. The Wall-e future seems more consistent with that honestly, but maybe I'm just revealing an ugly part of my own personality

This is contradicted by the fact that, throughout history, there have been tons of rich people who not even once had to do laundry or any other menial tasks. Many of them were interested in art or produced it. And many led fulfilling lives without getting depressed from not working as some people fear.

Selection bias, and few are smart and talented enough to become successful artists or scientists. Money cannot buy that.

There are people who inherited significant wealth and it ruined them. It destroyed their motivation and they became depressed drug addicts. A life without purpose. Debauchery and depression.

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Post by haswell »

CooCooCaCha wrote: post #388
haswell wrote: post #359

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This is not what I took away from the experience or what I’m trying to communicate with my comment. I’ve elaborated in various sibling comments, but my point is closer to this: regardless of what is possible, many people simply don’t have the skills for a rapidly and drastically altered social arrangement. To your point, people can gain those skills. Society will adapt. But the worrying thing to me is the rate of cha…

We're currently going backwards in terms of progress and you're worried about going too far forward too quickly.

Progress is not evenly distributed, nor are all forms of progress beneficial.

In my mind, it is exactly because of the areas of regression that other areas of progress are problematic if we don’t place enough focus on solving the new problems such progress creates.

e.g. many of the worst aspects of modern social media discourse boil down to people with an extremely limited understanding of complex problems believing in overly simplistic solutions and forming strong world views based on that lack of understanding.

Much of the technological progress recently involves abstraction on top of abstraction on top of abstraction making extremely complex things appear simple. The further down this road we go, the further the technology moves the average person out of contact with the underlying reality.

Push a button and shoes show up at your door. Nevermind the thousands or hundreds of thousands of people involved in making that happen or the many harms that occur along the way ranging from ecosystem destruction to child labor.

I don’t see the concerns I have about certain forms of progress as having any bearing on the areas of obvious regression. I’d even argue that some of the progress has directly caused that regression. The law of unintended consequences and all that.

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Post by krapp »

Jensson wrote: post #368
krapp wrote: post #356

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The rejection itself was a collective action. It wasn't passive, anti-vaxxers did work spreading propaganda, protesting and undermining vaccination efforts. They made it a part of their identity and culture. If it was a rejection of anything, it was of any assumption of good faith on the part of either government or scientific institutions. Why that happened, as quickly and thoroughly and as polarized along clear par…

> If it was a rejection of anything, it was of any assumption of good faith on the part of either government or scientific institutions. Why that happened, as quickly and thoroughly and as polarized along clear partisan lines as it was, is a mystery. It isn't a mystery, it was the bullshit and lies that happened the first month of covid in USA, many people then stopped listening even when the bullshit and lies stoppe…

Except if you understand they were being misleading, and you understand why, you also understand Covid was a real problem and that there were serious infrastructure and logistics problems that had to be dealt with. You get angry with the government for fumbling the effort, but you still get vaccinated. That doesn't justify believing Fauci and Biden cooked up Covid in a lab or that the vaccines were spiked with microchips or that masks give you brain cancer or half the stuff antivaxxers actually wound up claiming.

People literally formed resistance organizations and were warning of a global fascist takeover, we were entering an eternal police state in which the unvaccinated would become a slave underclass and if you didn't have your vaccine card you would get shot dead in the street.

All of it went far beyond simple mistrust in the government's PR.

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Post by bufferoverflow »

eloisius wrote: post #119
bufferoverflow wrote: post #69

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You forgot the most important and most common use of art: viewing and listening. AI can already produce good music, good images. At least I found some that I liked. And AI doesn't stop you from making art and having fun doing so.

The entire point of art is about human experience. If we’re really going to automate humans out of art (I don’t believe we will), and you really just want to look at some AI pictures that you like, why stop there? Why don’t we just go straight to the brain stem and have AI-administered doses of dopamine?

That's not the entire point of art. There are many points of art: inspiration, expression, fun, interior design, exterior design, etc.

AI can create art that covers all of the above, except maybe expression.

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Post by skybrian »

fullshark wrote: post #355
mensetmanusman wrote: post #344

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Helping people is not desperate work. It’s meaningful.

Sure, but one shift as a nurse in a hospital will open your eyes to just how difficult a job that can be, and not one many people would do unless "forced" to.

I’m not sure what your scare quotes mean, but nurses don’t work for free and traveling nurses in particular make good money.

“Forced labor” originally meant things like slave labor, but some people have it backwards.

I think anyone will agree that being able to walk away is important for negotiations. How much you’re paid has little to do with that. Having alternative job offers or the savings to do without a job for a while is more important.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

fullshark wrote: post #355
mensetmanusman wrote: post #344

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Helping people is not desperate work. It’s meaningful.

Sure, but one shift as a nurse in a hospital will open your eyes to just how difficult a job that can be, and not one many people would do unless "forced" to.

I don't think I've ever met a nurse who felt well compensated for their work, but they continued to do it because they were passionate about providing care to those who needed it.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #380
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #363

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> We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free Not literally "everyone". Someone still has to make the food you eat and the house you sleep in.

That's what automation is for. And there will always be people who want a much more expensive lifestyle than a "basic life".

That's the point, there's no automated solution to my laundry but apparently there is now an automated solution for my musical passions.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

I'm a musician and honestly I often feel that the music boat already left in many ways before the generation Bowie grew up in. The best musical experiences I've ever had have been in quiet houses playing music with people I care deeply about, playing for dancers or impromptu public meetings with other musicians. I think that ever since the first wax cylinder was pressed those experiences have become harder and harder to find as most people forgo learning instruments in favour of the record player. Sitting at a party with a David Bowie record on already didn't feel like a musical experience for me in many ways, this is just another step in that evolutionary chain.
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