FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

Post by hmcq6 » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 9:49 AM UTC

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> How do we know that the Chinese government didn't do this (which is known to happen) Source? > How do we know it was the US government We don't but its 100000x easier for the US government to disappear someone on US soil than it is for China to disappear someone on US soil.

Yes moving him to a different house would be an incredibly difficult thing for the Chinese govt to do. And of course, this would be something that he couldnt possibly do himself without some sort of secret govt involvement.

Post by lupusreal » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 10:12 AM UTC

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We have no evidence that Wang "was" disappeared. We know that he's nowhere to be found, that the university put him on leave weeks ago [0], and that the FBI recently searched his home. Notably, the university put him on leave weeks before the FBI searched his home. That sequence is better explained by the hypothesis that Wang vanished himself suddenly and the university called in the FBI to investigate things that th…

Doesn't the sequence of events read more like the University found something grave enough to put him on leave and contact the FBI, and for both the teacher and school to keep it quiet?

Post by Yeul » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 10:40 AM UTC

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> Disappearing people is not something the US government is allowed to do Since when? Been happening for a long time, here is just one recent-ish (2021) report: > FFI documented 698 enforced disappearances of immigrants in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody between 2017 and 2021 https://www.freedomforimmigrants.org/news/2021/8/30/detained... Has to be countless more that aren't documented, especially w…

These are not people that HN/Academia identifies with and thus they are not considered people with full rights. See how the goals moved from rights for every single person, to rights for documented migrants, to rights for citizens only. We are now moving faster to rights for people similar to you but make no mistake this will end up with rights for no one but the king.

Post by diggan » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 11:06 AM UTC

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These are not people that HN/Academia identifies with and thus they are not considered people with full rights. See how the goals moved from rights for every single person, to rights for documented migrants, to rights for citizens only. We are now moving faster to rights for people similar to you but make no mistake this will end up with rights for no one but the king.

The US has always been very divided on who is considered a US citizen. Atheists, black people, Hawaiians, Germans, Japanese- all of them have found themselves in court.

Post by Grimblewald » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 11:50 AM UTC

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On the long list of problems caused by the government "disappearing" people (which they have objectively been doing lately) is that it destroys trust and therefore makes even valid legal proceedings seem more shady than they would in a world in which due process was a universal guarantee in practice. I don't fault anyone for jumping to conclusions implicating the government is in the wrong here rather than Wang.

> by the government "disappearing" anyone (which they have objectively been doing lately) Notably, they haven't been "disappearing" people in the manner that would have to be happening here. Even the most egregious cases, which are very bad, have left a paper trail for lawyers and journalists to follow. This case is notable because no one seems to know where this man has gone. But yes, point taken: the extrajudicial…