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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

Signalling? Talks about investing 800 billion in the military industry across the EU would have been unthinkable 4 months ago. Now they're proceeding at a speed that is staggering when you see how long these talks/processes normally take. EU cloud is certainly much discussed, and more than that. Holland for instance voted and accepted a resolution last week for more digital sovereignty. This doesn't mean we'll have a…

>Talks about investing 800 billion in the military industry across the EU would have been unthinkable 4 months ago.

Okay, but if that's true then what does that say about the relationship between Europe and the United States when they could have done this the whole time and chose not to? Especially when the last 4 or so presidents have all complained about European nations neglecting to meet their NATO defense spending targets only to be politely ignored or in some cases laughed at in public by European counterparts?

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It's unclear how this EU momentum will stand the test of time, even if the war in Ukraine were to stop quickly. Where do these 800 bn really come from, how fast they will transform into R&D and products, how much the industrial status quo is going to change? These are hard questions that remain unanswered.

> It's unclear how this EU momentum will stand the test of time, even if the war in Ukraine were to stop quickly. I don’t think it really is unclear. The war in Ukraine served as an initial trigger that did spark some notesble changes. But the trump administration even more so. Ask the former UdSSR and Warsaw pact states. They were sounding the alarm bells for a long time and don’t appear to be willing to take any ch…

> Ask the former UdSSR and Warsaw pact states.

With the inexplicable exception of Hungary.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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It's two extremes. As with most things it's a spectrum, too far to either side isn't great. On the one hand you have racists and bigots, on the other you have people insisting that we should be asking everyone their preferred pronouns before addressing them and men who decide that they are now women should be allowed to compete in women's sports leagues, oh and actually gender is just a social construct because some…

Why is TERF as a term bad when it actually matches the ideology? You have to be against trans and otherwise feminist. Which is exactly what that is.

A lot of people who get called TERFs absolutely don't identify as feminists, let alone _radical_ feminists. It's just a meaningless term now

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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As a European, I would like nothing more than for our ruling elites to stop acting like petulant teenagers that are upset that their parents voted Republican and instead move out and start supporting themselves. For decades here in Norway we have had talks about how we need to denuclearize, stop all industry, stop all energy production, stop all mining. This, if not directly a result of Russian interference, is at le…

> All of this also ignores the fact that Europe jails people for thought crime at a much higher rate than US or even Russia.

This sounds crazy to me and I have trouble believing it. I tried to find sources, but could not. As you were mentioning rates i.e. numbers, I am sure you have some source for this? The fact alone that hate-speech and holocaust-denial laws exist is not sufficient.

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post #185

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> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

Signalling? Talks about investing 800 billion in the military industry across the EU would have been unthinkable 4 months ago. Now they're proceeding at a speed that is staggering when you see how long these talks/processes normally take. EU cloud is certainly much discussed, and more than that. Holland for instance voted and accepted a resolution last week for more digital sovereignty. This doesn't mean we'll have a…

Obviously, this comes at a cost.

I assume Europeans are willing to forgo some, maybe even most of their social benefits in exchange for increased military spending? I understand many currently enjoy fairly generous government support.

If not, then will there be an even bigger increase in taxes? How does EU plan to roll this out?

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> the market alternative It's interesting that you imply the European Union is communist or state capitalist in a similar way to the Soviet Union or that European Alternatives are not part of the market, analogous to state-produced consumer goods in the Soviet Union. It's especially interesting (which is a nice way of saying preposterous) considering the primary function of the European Union has always been a Europe…

The EU is of course much more market-based than the Soviet Union, but the analogy is not totally without merit. Legislation like General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), the Digital Markets Act (DMA), the Digital Services Act (DSA), and the Forestry Regulation, as well as heavy tax burdens and expansive restrictions on contracting freedom in the labor sector, have resulted in a situation where no EU company founded…

There was this little thing called World Wars that decimated a lot of capital of all kinds (demographic, financial, materiel, infrastructure) which USA exited in completely different position - one of oversupply of all the above to the point that Marshall Plan helped USA as much as it helped Europe by providing an extension of demand for USA industry.

The entire Silicon Valley exists because that windfall was allowed for the most ridiculous defense spending in the world which went on to create the baseline that private investment could continue (though there was considerable dip when the defense spending got cut in 1990s, private demand by then could continue).

In comparison, wider common market in EU is mostly, well, a thing from 1993 - the EEC had partial one, but it's only since 1993 that you could reasonably treat EU market similarly as USA one, which heavily impacted just how big you could grow as company (you need people to buy your products/services after all). And you still have to deal with things like multiple languages whereas for USA it's viable to have just limited english support.

Combine this with huge impact of retirement funds looking for investment opportunities and zero interest rates for long time, you have conditions where in USA you could get multi million investment for a juice company with overengineered juicer. It's essentially law of large numbers there, lots of churn will get you more even if actual successful companies are lower percentage - the scale does it.

And let's be honest, a lot of US investment capital (including Y-Combinator!) did a lot to ensure that prospective founders from Europe founded the company at least partially in USA (in case of YC, even focusing on SFBA).

Also, you mention GDPR, when it's one of the easiest regulations to deal with in my experience (it actually cleared up stuff that existed before). The DSA and DMA only become really strict once you have MAU bigger than adult population of many of EU countries (more than 10% of total EU population).

Honestly, for startup, a lot of it is easy checklist of "don't do that" - the most you might have to do is to look at what goes through the brains of your marketing dept once you have one and prevent them from going crazy with tag manager... something that your users would be happy about too.

If anything is missing, it's the large VC industry that was incubated through decades of defense and government spending in USA (guaranteeing demand and customers).

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Not sure how much it gets consumed, but many places in Germany rather sell Fritz-Kola only.

...I've only ever seen Fritz-Kola as a Berlin phenomenon tbh. There are some other regional brands though (e.g. in the Eastern German parts you're likely to see Vita Cola next to Coca Cola - completely different taste though).

Hamburg is also full of Fritz Kola. As this article[1] claims, Fritz Kola is the third largest cola brand in Germany. And it is exported in over 20 countries. They also search for bottling plants in Spain to produce drinks over there.

[1]: https://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/handel-konsumgueter...

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Seems to me America is a pretty shitty country to live in if you're not rich so I am not too mad that they protest vote for Trump. Ofcourse in Europe we learned that socialism improves the lives of the proletariat not national socialism.

There isn't a single socialist country in Europe since around 1990 (and good riddance). I think the term you're looking for is social-democracies (for the political system) or social-market-economy (for the economic system).

"Socialist" is such a loaded term it's kind of best to avoid it in any discussion where you aim for clarity.

The original definition, which is where it got its lasting popularity, comes from the popular workers' movements of the 1910s and 20s: workers owning the means of production. That is basically describing an economic system in which enterprises, particularly factories, are democratically controlled by the people working in them, who would have a say in how the enterprise is run.

This notion of socialism was corrupted by Lenin and his ilk when they essentially seized the worker's revolution that tore down the Tsars of Russia and founded the USSR. However, instead of decentralized workers' councils actually owning, profiting from, and controlling the factories (and farms and other enterprises) that they worked for, the state was put in charge of all of these. Ostensibly the state represented the will of the people, so that is how this leap was justified, but of course in reality it was one of the most heinous dictatorships that the world had seen in a long time. But because worker's rights were a popular idea at thrle time, the new absolutist monarchs of the "Soviet" empire kept claiming they are "socialists", just as they claimed they are "democratic", and no one bothered to contradict them.

In the meantime, in the West of Europe, particularly Germany, the same basic workers' movements were co-opted by Hitler, here claiming that he represents the people of Germany in their interests against the bogey-men they hated, the Jewish people (and Armenians and a few others), identified as evil Capitalists that had to be combatted. So they also named their movement "socialist", while in reality having an iron grip and military-like complete top-down control of the means of production.

Finally, more actually democratic forces that were nevertheless interested in keeping the capitalist status quo came up with a series of more minor reforms that would give some more resources, better lives, and rights to workers without actually putting them in full control of the enterprise they worked for. This movement ended up calling itself social-democrat or democratic socialism. Being very much similar to the previous status quo, and keeping the wealthy in power and in control of enterprises, while also not egregiusly oppressing workers to the point of revolt, this proved to be the most enduring form of "socialism" that persisted.

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> IMHO this is the big story here. Its not until we actually see numbers. This guy could be making up/exaggerating ( "everyone" really?) these stories, because thats what ppl do on the internet. These type of protests usually die down because human beings always choose convenience and lower price. Also see blm, dei and other "movements" that died down as soon as news cycle changed.

It's not just a consumer movement, it's Europe itself moving to get away from an unreliable schizophrenic ally. You can't make long-term plans when every 4 years you're playing russian (eh) roulette with your partner. The movement might slow down, but it's fundamentally different from a social movement limited to the US.

> Europe itself moving to get away from an unreliable schizophrenic ally

Are your referring to greenland gaining independence from denmark? good for them .

Why is denmark so hesitant to give up control of greenland if thats what ppl of greenland want. Colonial mindset ? They have king thats changing flags. nothing says allies than "boiling viking blood" OG colonizers still living in middle ages.

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Self-hosting hundreds of GBs of data isn't feasible, you also need backups and it's a terrible idea for most people. Hetzner does provide managed Nextcloud instances. For bookmarks, I recommend Linkding: https://linkding.link

> Self-hosting hundreds of GBs of data isn't feasible Why wouldn't it be feasible? Storage is cheap, backups are cheap. It's not for everyone, obviously, but for 20 EUR/month you can get a VM with a couple hundred GB of storage and 1TB of backups on a storagebox in hetzner. Or have a raspberry pi with a 1TB SSD in your home, or both!

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