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Claude can now search the web

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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by paulddraper »

_heimdall wrote: post #370
dataflow wrote: post #351

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No we don't. We have too many people who -- even despite having respectable jobs -- can't afford the basic necessities for the month, let alone save for their future and family. The problem they're facing is the lack of the guaranteed basic income, not the lack of a job to collect it.

UBI will almost certainly fail to cover the necessities unless we have Marx-style price controls. When everyone in the economy has a minimum of say $3,000 per month the cost of necessities, and everything else, will go up roughly in line with that.

Case study: COVID

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by wegfawefgawefg »

rank0 wrote: post #374
dataflow wrote: post #351

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No we don't. We have too many people who -- even despite having respectable jobs -- can't afford the basic necessities for the month, let alone save for their future and family. The problem they're facing is the lack of the guaranteed basic income, not the lack of a job to collect it.

This is not a fully solvable problem. Especially if the goal is to provide the above for any location. You can do more harm than good by implementing policies like “guaranteed free money”.

I can not believe this was voted down. It is simply an assertion of fact. Whether true or not, seems reasonable and most people would agree with it.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by paulddraper »

nyarlathotep_ wrote: post #331
Toenex wrote: post #278

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Maybe we already have Universal Basic Income, you just need to have a pointless job to collect it.

YES, this is exactly the case and why the Twitter layoffs and now the "DOGE" purge is a terrible thing (even in cases where it was totally legitimate to eliminate "waste"). "They had useless make-work jobs and sent 4 emails a week and watched TikToks the rest of the time" So? There's FAR too many people and nowhere near enough jobs for a large portion of people to do something that is both "real", and provides actual…

There is way more to do than we have time to do it.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by throw234234234 »

picafrost wrote: post #245
pixl97 wrote: post #206

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Have you actually done any kind of study on the utility the 'average user' has received, or is this just guessing?

I have only anecdotal data from non-technical friends and family. I’m referring to average people who may not be average users because they’re barely using LLMs in the first place, if at all. They have maybe tried ChatGPT a few times to generate some silly stories, and maybe come back to it once or twice a month for a question or two, but that’s it. We’re all colored by our bubbles, and that’s not a study, but it’s s…

For most people AI is stuck at GPT 4 and other on par performance wise models. Anecdotally as well, many people that I know that have tried it found it mildly useful, but experience what coders and other tech workers experienced two years or so ago. Lots of hallucinations, lack of context, knowledge, etc. If you went back to those models you would at best feel like it is just a occasional code helper as well; at best an autocomplete or rather.

A lot of the reasoning model improvements of late are in domains where RL, RLHF and other techniques can be both used and verified with data and training; in particular coding and math as "easy targets" either due to their determinism or domain knowledge of the implementers. Hence it has been quite disruptive to those industries (e.g. AI people know and do a lot of software). I've heard a lot of comments in my circles from other people saying they don't want AI to have the data/context/etc in order to protect their company/job/etc (i.e. their economic moat/value). They look at coding and don't want that to be them - if coding is that hard and it can get automated like that imagine my job.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by scarface_74 »

harrall wrote: post #243
magackame wrote: post #121

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Google search is crap. It seems to be a sentiment among many HNers, but is it really that bad? I mostly use it for programming, so documentation/forums and it works out greatly. For some queries it even returns personal blogs (which people seem to bash google for not happening). Of course there are some queries that return purely AI blogspam, but reformatting the query with a bit more thought usually solves it. I won…

I watched one of my friends who says Google is useless use Google one day. If I were looking for a song, I would type in something like “song used at beginning of X movie indie rock” He would type in “X songs.” I basically find everything in Google in one search and it takes him several. I type in my thought straight whereas he seems to treat Google like a dumb keyword index.

Funny anecdote. I use to be afraid of searching for something in the city I lived in by putting the name of the city after it.

https://www.cityofcumming.net/

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by hammock »

labrador wrote: post #321
wongarsu wrote: post #308

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Purely on its technical merits Grok is pretty good and fills a niche in the selection of AI agents. But I can absolutely understand not wanting to use an AI owned by somebody who makes Nazi salutes and is dismantling the US government.

I'm positive there are great people working at X, xAI, Tesla and SpaceX who are suffering every day through no fault of their own, hoping that Musk will come to his senses. Tesla right now is an especially tragic case for those whose livelihood depended on it doing well.

Isn’t that all of us? Electric cars are a huge part of saving the planet for human habitability

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by scarface_74 »

losteric wrote: post #83
1shooner wrote: post #71

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>You can now use Claude to search the internet to provide more up-to-date and relevant responses. It's a search engine. You 'ask it to read the web' just like you asked Google to, except Google used to actually give the website traffic. I appreciate the concept of an AI User-agent, but without a business model that pays for the content creation, this is just going to lead to the death of anonymously accessible conten…

What was the web like before wide spread internet ads, auth, and search engines? Did all those old sites have “business models”? What did the web feel like back then? (This is rhetorical - I had niche hobby sites back then, in the same way some people put out free zines, and wouldn’t give a damn about today’s AI agents so long as they were respectful. The web was better back then, and I believe AI slop and agents bri…

X11 pop under ads were a thing around at least 2001

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=88041&page=1

As were punch the monkey and similar banner ads

https://www.computerworld.com/article/1360466/i-refuse-to-pu...

When was the great age of the web that wasn’t inundated with ads and SEO?

It was really easy on old school search engines like Altavista.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by dewey »

NewJazz wrote: post #100

Bizarre that they choose to publish this right as a thread criticizing AI crawlers gets bumped off the front page. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43422413

There’s so many news about anything “AI” at any given moment that there will never be a perfect moment.
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