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Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by ZeWaka »

kibwen wrote: post #368
dmonitor wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

discord needs to abandon the notion that every message in every channel deserves to be read by every user. it’s absurd in servers with >50 users

It's annoying UX, but unfortunately I've come to the conclusion that the alternative is worse. When channels are opt-in, it makes discoverability effectively infeasible in practice. This is what the Element clients that I've seen do (following the IRC convention), and it just means that everyone clusters in the default channel and the others all wither on the vine. That said, maybe there's a middle ground. If a serve…

Note: Discord has given servers the ability to make channels opt-in/opt-out - 'Browse Channels' in the channel sidebar.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by didip »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #344
didip wrote: post #306

I am surprised that it is written in Rust. Bi-directional long live connections don't require Rust's raw horsepower. Maybe it's needed for audio/video streaming? Is the API discord compatible? That's basically necessary for adoption.

what do you think it should be written in? golang?

Golang would have encouraged a lot more contributions, e.g. https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost (I am not affiliated with them).

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by ZeWaka »

doctorhandshake wrote: post #224
sph wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My dream is to be invited into a mildly popular server (more than 15 users), than doesn't have 50 channels, 8 separate roles and T&C to agree to. It hasn't happened yet. An entire generation of bureaucrats and bean counters is learning the ropes on Discord.

I started and mod a server of about 6k users for a community around a niche software used by professionals, students, and hobbyists. We keep it really simple and focused primarily on people getting questions answered. Recently a small but vocal cadre of hobbyists have been demanding more Discord-y features oriented towards socializing with other users of the software, and our reticence to complicate the server and ad…

What features are you talking about? I admin a server of 9k. The new onboarding stuff, automod, opt-in roles?

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by ZeWaka »

didip wrote: post #392
vivzkestrel wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what do you think it should be written in? golang?

Golang would have encouraged a lot more contributions, e.g. https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost (I am not affiliated with them).

I don't think that correlation of number of commits implies causation.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by ghostpepper »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #372
Legion wrote: post #352

Pushing what used to occur on web forums into Discord chats has been a net loss for the Internet.

The real loss for the internet is the puritan approach to federation and decentralization. It's either that or app-centric solutions like matrix. Even forums weren't discoverable easily. I'll say this, matrix really has the right idea, it just does too much too fast. An SRV DNS record indicating your matrix server should be enough, then browsers should auto-discover the 'matrix' for the website, and via matrix you ca…

Forum posts were indexed by search engines - doesn’t that alone provide a minimum level of discoverability?

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by gibibit »

Doesn't anyone else miss the old days of forums like PHPBB and VBulletin for collaboration?

They had everything I needed, and nothing I didn't. Easily searched by Google. Actual pagination instead of stupid endless scrolling.

All the new forums are going to Discord (synchronous) or Discourse (asynchronous) which I find to be much less useful.

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by ghostpepper »

dingnuts wrote: post #230
Mashimo wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I assume that is because of the people on that specific server, not because of the software? Or is there something about discord that enables it, that IRC etc. does not have? I hang out with friends that predate discord, on discord and can't see it. Same with new servers.

happens on irc constantly too chat rooms are cliques, almost always choose any sufficiently populated room on libera chat, join, and start talking a lot without lurking first for awhile and see how the inhabitants react

try going to a pub on a Saturday night, walking up to a group of people you’ve never met, having a conversation, and start talking about something completely unrelated, and see how they react.

what you’re seeing in online chat communities is just basic social interaction reflected online

Re: Revolt: Open-Source Alternative to Discord

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Post by doublerabbit »

gibibit wrote: post #397

Doesn't anyone else miss the old days of forums like PHPBB and VBulletin for collaboration? They had everything I needed, and nothing I didn't. Easily searched by Google. Actual pagination instead of stupid endless scrolling. All the new forums are going to Discord (synchronous) or Discourse (asynchronous) which I find to be much less useful.

I do terribly. However you needed SysAdmin skills to administrate a *nix box.

System skills to run the forum and webserver configuration.

And money to pay for the webhost/vps/cloud minus any malicious actions such as DDoS or bandwidth stealing.

All three are sparse now and not forgetting the laws of the country. UK has become a pain to host anything community oriented.

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