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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by Timber-6539 » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:26 PM UTC

insane_dreamer wrote: post #10

Ukraine is in a bind, and the US has the power to do whatever it wants. But boy, will the nations of the world remember this -- how quickly the US can turn from ally to bully. A really bad day for US foreign policy. The EU is going to be thinking long and hard about the future of NATO now.

I bet this is all a part of Trump's strategy into pushing Europe into geopolitical irrelevance. And if it counts for anything, the Europeans did this to themselves by relying on the goodwill of America for their own security.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by cowgoesmoo » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:26 PM UTC

akmarinov wrote: post #344

So at this point obviously the US pulls all support from Ukraine - weapons, intelligence, the works. Any negotiations US-Russia will be useless as the US won’t represent anyone with a stake in the war. They don’t have people, territory, anything at stake, they don’t get refugees and generally aren’t directly affected in any way. What are the chances that they just leave Ukraine, Europe and Russia alone from now on an…

I'm pretty sure that's what Trump wants if the mineral deal isn't signed. And now the mineral deal seems more and more unlikely.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by fads_go » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:26 PM UTC

legitster wrote: post #19

That video was hard to watch. Zelensky was being very dignified and they absolutely jumped down his throat. This public meeting was a complete setup, and it's ironic that JD Vance is accusing Zelensky of grandstanding.

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by paxys » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:27 PM UTC

TheAlchemist wrote: post #341

One more, somewhat important, detail that's also very telling about where the US administration is heading. Reuters and Associated Press were barred from Oval Office during this meeting, but a Russian state news agency TASS reporter was allowed - into the Oval Office. Wake up America before it's too late.

> Wake up America before it's too late.

The time to wake up was 2016. It is already too late.

33% of Americans have their heads in the sand and are believing the establishment talking points and amplifying them.

33% know what is going on and are cheering it on.

33% don’t care either way.

Hard to say which group is doing more damage to the country tbh.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by mwelpa » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:27 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

This is how NATO replaces the US with Ukraine. Kicking the US out of Five Eyes is likely next.

there is still to much corruption in the Ukraine, that Europe will never accept.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by neom » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:27 PM UTC

yakkomajuri wrote: post #284

Usually we keep the mainstream news out of here but felt I had to post this one because I've never seen anything like it and was curious to hear other people's perspective here. To me it feels like a setup to look good in front of their audience without any proper desire to engage in true diplomacy.

Some of the stuff I've had to deal with building business to $100MM++++++ revenue give me stress and anxiety. I've been through so much shit at this point I think it's hard to stress me out. Watching that interaction between the 3 of them invoked a feeling I've not felt in a very long time, it was incredibly stressful. That was neither politics nor business, personally I'd have accepted either, but that was not those.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:28 PM UTC

Eh. A lot will disagree with what I am about to type and, tbh, I am hesitant to point out the obvious, but I will do this just in case:

1. None of it should be a surprise. Policy-wise, Trump's position was very much well known at this point. 2. For Zelensky, this is actually the least bad political option at this point, which is presumably why is doing it this way 3. Note the amount of astroturfing surrounding anything related to Ukraine. It used to be that you couldn't comment on anything about Ukraine without being given 'you talk like Ukraine has no autonomy' speech. Yes. On HN too. 4. To all the hyperbolic, hyperventilating accounts out there, please stop. You are not helping your cause. If anything, you are making it worse.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by kubb » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:28 PM UTC

scop wrote: post #228

Well, here come the downvotes, but for anybody who thinks that it is completely believable that Trump is a Russian stooge or is “on Russias side” let me offer this up: - We want peace. Full stop. No more dead men, women, and children. THAT IS THE GOAL. CONTEXT: - Trump armed Ukraine to the teeth in first term, providing lethal aid which previous presidents did not do. He wanted to deter Putin while not also escalatin…

> We want peace. Full stop. No more dead men, women, and children. THAT IS THE GOAL.

If that was the goal, why is Trump asking for Ukraine's natural resources? Maybe his goals are different than yours.

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Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, which is why Ukraine was seeking protection.

From Ukraine's point of view, if they make peace now, and give up territory... Russia will do the same thing again in a couple of years. Many more people will die.

Russia doesn't care about killing off its population, they have lots of poor and non-ethnic-Russian citizens, and they think nothing of having them die to get some more land.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by bg24 » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:28 PM UTC

I find it difficult to comprehend if the billionaires do not know this. That if the Government slowly turns into an oligarchy with their help, the Government will eventually turns against them too. They cannot escape the punishment.

Humans (our leaders) have behavior that shows up when under stress or things do not go per their plan. Other countries are already noticing this about USA leaders and will not hesitate to exploit.

My prediction for the future, with a heavy heart.

- Feb/2026: China becomes #1 in technological progress. And America's relationship with former allies is irreversibly bad.

- 2027-29: Russia continues to pamper President Trump for another term. Their goal is to create anarchy in America. They succeed.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by arcbyte » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:28 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #65

Shameful day for America where the President and VP two on one berate a visiting leader (guest even) who is fighting for his countries freedom against a totalitarian regime.

Overall, Zelensky miscalculated when he challenged the VP like that. Nothing good was gonna come from that in that setting.

But I dont know why Vance even jumped in like that. It both undercut Trump and forced Zelensky to voice his disagreement.

But then they both attacked him for some perceived lack of gratitude which just spiraled out of control.