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DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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miohtama wrote: post #369
dzdt wrote: post #320

Related to a comment on a now-flagged subthread: can anyone who believes that DOGE is uncovering fraud please post a reliable reference that gives a specific example of fraud uncovered by DOGE? To be clear, this should be a third-party analysis of some credibility, not DOGE's or Musk's twitter feed or "receipts" website which shows cancelled contracts with no clear link to fraudulent activity.

One month (2 weeks?) is too early to tell if something will be uncovered, so there are no examples yet.

If it is too early for them to have uncovered a meaningful understanding about what the contracts/programs/employees are doing, why is it also not too early for the contracts to be cancelled/programs ended/employees fired?

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by sightbroke »

chatmasta wrote: post #356
dzdt wrote: post #320

Related to a comment on a now-flagged subthread: can anyone who believes that DOGE is uncovering fraud please post a reliable reference that gives a specific example of fraud uncovered by DOGE? To be clear, this should be a third-party analysis of some credibility, not DOGE's or Musk's twitter feed or "receipts" website which shows cancelled contracts with no clear link to fraudulent activity.

It’s marketed as “fraud, waste and abuse.” The top-line summaries are definitely consistent with “waste.” Probably some of them have more nuance when you dig deeper, but does anyone disagree that there is not waste in the government? Fraud and abuse are less clear. But it’s also difficult to ascertain the legitimacy of payments when they’re leaving treasury on checks with no memo or reference, and they’re compared to…

> But if DOGE can really cut $1 trillion by end of year, it will have positive knock-on effects in the bond market.

It will certainly be interesting to see how the US economy will be affected by $1 trillion less money circulating.

How and why would this produce positive knock-on effects in the bond market?

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by croes »

eecc wrote: post #201

IMHO it's a bit of a shame that the productivity and efficiency gains that computing and cybernetics can bring to complex systems -- including government -- are always tainted and currently championed by anti-social elites that use them to break apart these collective machines. Bureaucracies are a common good, and it should be in everyone's interest to apply state-of-the-art system engineering to make them as valuabl…

The government's system should mainly be secure, relibale and durable.

State-of-the-art is seldom all three of them.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by ideashower »

eecc wrote: post #201

IMHO it's a bit of a shame that the productivity and efficiency gains that computing and cybernetics can bring to complex systems -- including government -- are always tainted and currently championed by anti-social elites that use them to break apart these collective machines. Bureaucracies are a common good, and it should be in everyone's interest to apply state-of-the-art system engineering to make them as valuabl…

Bureaucracies are a “common good” because of their human element: the ability to exercise discretion, recognize unique circumstances, and be held accountable to the public they serve.

The challenge is harnessing technology while strengthening these essential human capacities. Anything otherwise erodes public trust and sows division.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

trymas wrote: post #108
mandmandam wrote: post #56

The moment they had physical access to the system, it was necessary to assume this. It's called an 'evil maid' attack, and of all communities this one should have been blowing the whistle. Loudly, repeatedly, and in open defiance of people who argue that this is a storm in a teacup, a non issue, just another MOT, etc. Especially when you look at the background of the Doge team - 'ex' hackers, 'security specialists',…

> Perhaps surprisingly, the CEO of YC and Paul Graham have been publicly supportive of the DOGE team, despite all the racism and existential threat. I don't know if that's from fear, or greed, but there are strong arguments for both. > … > If discussing this openly and often this isn't possible due to very simple flag abuse, then what is this community actually even worth. Just want to add to this topic that HN adver…

Paul graham has his head so far up his on ass it's unreal.

Listening to him talk about Elon taking over Twitter and that leading to more free speech was embarrassing. Like, actual adults believe this shit.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by gaganyaan »

chasd00 wrote: post #319
scarab92 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[dupe]

Yeah 99% is sour grapes from the other team. I like what doge has turned up so far and will give them the benefit of the doubt. My wife is a long time liberal Democrat and even she admits the main problem is Musk is just doing out in the open what is usually done behind closed doors and people don’t like it.

Stop being naive. This is an unelected billionaire successfully couping the government and replacing competent people with incompetent lackeys. Musk is fucking you over and you're cheering him on because you've suckled at the teat of propaganda for far too long. Get your head out of your ass and actually think

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

_1tem wrote: post #383
randerson wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An audit only needs read access, not God mode. It should be conducted by a neutral third party, not someone on a witch hunt who has conflicts of interest. The people on the ground should have auditing qualifications, clear background checks, and knowledge of specific systems or processes, not a random 19-year-old named "Big Balls" with a history of selling company secrets to a competitor. Their findings should go thr…

Ah, so more bureaucracy, bureaucracy, bureaucracy.

This response is so funny to me.

You'll be on your knees begging for bureaucracy after all your info is sold to the highest bidder and you spend the next 20 years fighting identity theft.

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Post by scottcha »

dzdt wrote: post #320

Related to a comment on a now-flagged subthread: can anyone who believes that DOGE is uncovering fraud please post a reliable reference that gives a specific example of fraud uncovered by DOGE? To be clear, this should be a third-party analysis of some credibility, not DOGE's or Musk's twitter feed or "receipts" website which shows cancelled contracts with no clear link to fraudulent activity.

WSJ reports today that the gao Itself reported 140 billion in improper payments. https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/doge-musk-government-was...

This is based on their statistics so I imagine the next step is to find the actual waste and fraud and stop it or get the money back.

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