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Post by volkk »

qup wrote: post #335
luqtas wrote: post #209

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Libgen turns into a problem when you have a company developing generative AI with it, either giving money to GPU manufacturers or themselves with paid services (see OpenAI)

What are we actually worried about happening? Are AI-written books getting published? If they start out-competing humans, is that bad? According to most naysayers, they can't do anything original. Are people asking the AI for books? And then hoping it will spit it out a human-written book word for word?

> Are AI-written books getting published?

actually i think they are. lots of e-book slop

> If they start out-competing humans, is that bad?

Not inherently, but it depends on what you mean by out-competing. Social media outcompeted books and now everyone's addicted and mental illness is more rampant than ever. IMO, a net negative for society. AI books may very well win out through sheer spam but is that good for us?

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Post by verall »

4ggr0 wrote: post #342
999900000999 wrote: post #326

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Hotels were just fine. Taxis were discriminatory and "uncool" to the point were Uber has saved thousands by preventing drunk driving. Now if you go out with the boys and get drunk, it's a 30 second casual call to get an Uber and get home. Live in a neighborhood Taxis are afraid to service，you can either make some extra income working for Uber or use it yourself. When Ubers used as its intended purpose, to basically m…

> Say your rents it's going to be late, you can pick up 20 or 30 hours of Uber this month to make it happen that sounds so incredibly dystopian, not sure if that was the intention :(

It's super dystopian and it creates bad incentives (the harder the underclass is squeezed the better a product it is for the middle class), but I have to agree that gig work is often a lifeline for poor people.

I consider it similar to access to unsecured credit that way - it's easy to feel like "wow this industry is scamming these people it should be illegal" but people without any other backstop will probably need access to unsecured credit sometime and it's better than losing their house/car/job/pet/family etc..

Re: Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data

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Post by esafak »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #317
luqtas wrote: post #263

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old books? i can imagine the shit/hallucinated-like generative AI we would have if the training weight was restricted to public domain stuff... i think when chatGPT was around version 2 or 3, i had extracted almost 2 pages (without any alteration from the original) with questions that considered the author from this book here, https://www.amazon.com/Loneliness-Human-Nature-Social-Connec... now it's up to you to think…

The answer is to censor the model output, not the training input. A dumb filter using 20 year old technology can easily stop LLM's from verbatim copyright output.

What if the model simply substitutes synonyms here and there without changing the spirit of the material? (This might not work for poetry, obviously.) It is not such a simple matter.

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Post by derektank »

ses1984 wrote: post #346
slices wrote: post #308

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I've never been a huge user of either, but my worst Uber ride was much better than my best taxi ride.

The last time I dragged my family into a taxi because of my anti Uber ideology, the driver stank to hell of body odor, asked me to input directions on his phone covered with dried snot from him sneezing with his mouth open, he drove dangerously under the speed limit on the freeway, and it took twice as long to get home as normal. But at least I didn’t give Uber any money…

I'm immediately reminded of the Slavoj Zizek quote,

"I already am eating from the trashcan all the time. The name of this trashcan is ideology"

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Post by harrison_clarke »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #184
rchaud wrote: post #166

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Airbnb and Uber have showed us that laws matter only to the extent that the political will to enforce them exists. Throw enough lawyers and lobbying money at the problem and the laws can simply be re-written to be friendlier to your business model.

The reason there was no political will to punish Airbnb and Uber for violating the law was that initially they were subsidized with VC money and so were able to undercut traditional hotels and taxis on price. In the world of tradable goods, pricing below cost with the intent of putting competition out of business so you can raise prices later is known as "dumping" and is itself illegal.

shouldn't there be a lot of political will from the traditional hotels and taxis, and their lawyers? i can see that the answer is "no", but i don't know why

especially with hotels, i would have expected there to be small enough oligopoly to overcome the freerider problem (taxis are more regional, so i don't expect them to be able to fight an (inter)national company very easily)

plus the president owning a hotel chain

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Post by burningion »

johnebgd wrote: post #340
DebtDeflation wrote: post #184

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The reason there was no political will to punish Airbnb and Uber for violating the law was that initially they were subsidized with VC money and so were able to undercut traditional hotels and taxis on price. In the world of tradable goods, pricing below cost with the intent of putting competition out of business so you can raise prices later is known as "dumping" and is itself illegal.

I rooted for Uber to smash the Taxi cartels. Let us not forget that Taxi Cartels were also insidious beasts. Taxi drivers abused their walled garden with their price gouging by taking longer routes, refusal to take a credit card, and extremely poorly maintained fleets of vehicles. I have had mostly good experiences with Uber, whereas I had experiences that mostly bordered on general condescension toward me whenever I…

This argument ignores the fact that there were other alternatives to Uber at the time, ones that didn't break the law! Believe it or not, there were multiple ride hailing apps on the iPhone, but none were as great at accumulating capital or breaking the law without recourse.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

qup wrote: post #296
freeone3000 wrote: post #171

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Buying a copy of the book doesn’t grant you the right to copy it. That is what copyright is for .

It grants you the right to read & study it though.

The right to read and study you have by default. It's getting your hands on a book that has legal caveats attached.
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