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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by alsetmusic »

Animats wrote: post #334
ghaff wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hesitate to write a lot of things off to COVID because, if you look at some presentations/papers from early on in the pandemic, a lot of things probably changed less than the "experts" thought they would. That said, I also see various things that were on a downward trajectory or cruising on momentum being given a downward shove by COVID.

A friend who used to run big late-night parties in San Francisco said the big change started after the 2008 recession. Many of the twentysomethings who were laid off left town, and the ones who remained were working longer hours.

I was on the scene in the Bay Area in the 2000s. I went to warehouse parties and secret raves that required calling a number to find out where to get picked up to keep the location secret. It was vibrant and a lot of fun.

There were at least two sites that I knew of for keeping track of parties (bayraves.com was one, I don’t recall the other). The scene was dying at the same time that I was aging out, but I sure miss it.

When I lived in the Midwest, the scene died when ecstasy became a known quantity in mainstream news media. The last rave that I went to (there) was loaded with a million cops. An org that offered free testing for purity / adulterants was told they’d be arrested for testing any pills. What a backward and unhelpful position to take when people may be at risk of an OD. Ecstasy was still generally clean at the time. I’d be afraid to take an unknown pill today, what with fentanyl and the like.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by quchen »

Vampiero wrote: post #142
tombert wrote: post #141

I haven't been to a club in a long time, but I am quite confident that if there's a hell for me, it's being forced to be in a club+rave for eternity. I've never done any kind of "party drug" [1], and I think that party drugs have to be a requirement for me to enjoy something like that (at least for someone as awkward as me). Repetitive music that's so loud it hurts, not being able to talk to people, close contact to…

Yeah no wonder you don't like raves. You might be the first person who went to one without taking drugs. Same for clubs tbh. That kind of music is made by people on particular drugs and it's meant to be listened to by people on those same drugs. And dancing is just a way to shake off the stimulants.

You're both wrong about raves not being great sober, and the latent prejudice against "drugs". Source, I went to many raves sober, and I work in psycare on them (psychiatric ambulance of sorts).

For a festival that's proper shit without drugs, try Oktoberfest here in Munich.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by poincaredisk »

Vampiero wrote: post #142
tombert wrote: post #141

I haven't been to a club in a long time, but I am quite confident that if there's a hell for me, it's being forced to be in a club+rave for eternity. I've never done any kind of "party drug" [1], and I think that party drugs have to be a requirement for me to enjoy something like that (at least for someone as awkward as me). Repetitive music that's so loud it hurts, not being able to talk to people, close contact to…

Yeah no wonder you don't like raves. You might be the first person who went to one without taking drugs. Same for clubs tbh. That kind of music is made by people on particular drugs and it's meant to be listened to by people on those same drugs. And dancing is just a way to shake off the stimulants.

>You might be the first person who went to one without taking drugs

I also don't line raves, but that makes me dislike them even more. So the point of "raves" is to get drugged while doing something you don't enjoy? Would you allow your kids to go to one?

Fortunately I think you're exaggregating or your experience is an outlier and people actually go there to have fun listening to loud music (while sometimes, indeed, using drugs).

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by s1artibartfast »

xerox13ster wrote: post #368
s1artibartfast wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it depends on your idea of the suburbs. I can walk to a major grocery store, coffee shops, restaurants, and breweries, but have a quarter acre with fruit trees and gardens. Im happy to trade that for having to spend an hour in car/train a few times a year to see a show or museum. I would take a pay cut to work closer to home.

Like many in the suburbs have convinced themselves they're rural as a result of oil company propaganda (rural identity sells big mall crawler trucks), it sounds to me like you live in a central, quite urban area that's otherwise sparse on local options and have convinced yourself it's your extra special private enclave in the hills, completely separated from the economic center, despite it literally being your econom…

It really depends on how you draw the lines between urban and suburban.

For this conversation, we're talking about the cores of tier 1 cities where the high paying jobs are most abundant. I considers a location suburban if they are predominantly single-family homes and if many of them commute into the Metro for work.

I'm going to ignore all that identity politics stuff because frankly I don't understand what you were trying to say there

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Post by ty6853 »

xerox13ster wrote: post #368
s1artibartfast wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it depends on your idea of the suburbs. I can walk to a major grocery store, coffee shops, restaurants, and breweries, but have a quarter acre with fruit trees and gardens. Im happy to trade that for having to spend an hour in car/train a few times a year to see a show or museum. I would take a pay cut to work closer to home.

Like many in the suburbs have convinced themselves they're rural as a result of oil company propaganda (rural identity sells big mall crawler trucks), it sounds to me like you live in a central, quite urban area that's otherwise sparse on local options and have convinced yourself it's your extra special private enclave in the hills, completely separated from the economic center, despite it literally being your econom…

Nah what living outside the city really buys me is more of my preferences of freedom. I have no government maintained roads, basically no police, I can build what I want without an inspector telling me what to do rather than some narrowly constrained window of options set by a city planning board. If I want to keep cows to feed my family fresh meat I can do so. There is no sound ordnance, no regulation on gunfire, you can ride dirtbikes all around, your kids can explore without encountering hordes of junkies or karen callin CPS for childhood independence. My taxes are near zero. I depend on myself and my neighbors not through violence of law and taxation but through mutual voluntary cooperation.

It's not for everybody but it's not an oil scam either.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by celdon25 »

4ggr0 wrote: post #47
gazunklenut wrote: post #44

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What? That's kind of creepy. Raves are and always have been about dancing. The creeps walking around looking for hookups are just that, a bunch of weird creeps that annoy people trying to dance. Edit: To clarify, it's creepy becaucse a lot of people are on something and pretty vulnerable, they're there to dance and enjoy the music and now some creep is trying to get in their pants while they're rolling and drunk

Men will be men, sadly. Can't even feel safe when sober as a charming guy could decide to put roofies in your diet coke.

> Men will be men, sadly.

I don't think that's an appropriate way to frame it.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by [deleted] »

_yb2s wrote: post #383

The author doesn't even seem to know what a rave is, most likely they aren't in decline at all. They're talking about formal, permanent dance clubs shutting down for economic reasons. Raves are mostly an underground - often illegal or questionably legal - impromptu one off event, organized through word of mouth and social media on an invite only basis. There is almost no way to get statistics on them because they are…

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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by switchbak »

gazunklenut wrote: post #44
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #24

In my time night clubs were about hooking up, guess no need for that in the age of tinder?

What? That's kind of creepy. Raves are and always have been about dancing. The creeps walking around looking for hookups are just that, a bunch of weird creeps that annoy people trying to dance. Edit: To clarify, it's creepy becaucse a lot of people are on something and pretty vulnerable, they're there to dance and enjoy the music and now some creep is trying to get in their pants while they're rolling and drunk

"night clubs were about hooking up" - they weren't talking about raves. Night clubs were a different thing, and hooking up was definitely a big part of that. And for selling expensive liquor to people, but whatever.
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