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Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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The opposite would be better for the US. If the US joined Canada, they could benefit from universal healthcare, schooling, and responsible gun laws within a short period of time, given the available resources that would be added to the Canadian system.

I want American and Canadian healthcare both to remain the way they are, I have timely access to care with my American health insurance, but if I lose my job I can get healthcare anyways with my Canadian passport

I think you'd need a residence in Canada and a provincial card, no? You wouldn't be refused service but you'd be charged.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Wacky idea. The EU is an awful lot of legislation to sign up to, not the most popular it's even been either. If it's just about trading space and resources for people I'd imagine a more bespoke arrangement would be preferable for both sides.

Not to mention the bureaucrats at Brussels are not elected!

? Bureaucrats aren't elected by definition.

A bureaucracy is a body of non-elected government officials (aka bureaucrats).

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> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

Even my immigrant friends in Canada think there are too many immigrants.

the problem is not too many or too little, the problem is integration

i think canada have the potential to receive far more immigrant (and i think it should, to realize its full potentiel)

but little is being done to help with their integration, two thins should be done

   1. build more home
   2. support startups and small businesses

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

> Young Canadians doubly so Similar situation in Australia and US. And most of it misplaced. One major issue is trying to buy a first home where the blame goes towards immigrants. Instead of towards older generations where the problem really lies. They apply political power across multiple levels of government to affect everything from planning, taxation, inheritance which systemically prevent young people getting in…

It's not entirely misplaced. There's supply, and there's demand. You can't point to one and ignore the other.

I'm all for the YIMBY and zoning reform push, but a) that's decided on the municipal level, b) change is slow, c) immigration rates can drastically change in very little time, if the feds decide. In Canada feds wanted to have their cake and eat it too: the population grew by over 3% in a year, but infrastructure at the provincial level (e.g. healthcare) didn't budge, and housing isn't building much faster than it was before.

If we understand that the key factor behind housing affordability is inelasticity of supply, then it should be easy to intuit that other things can be inelastic: policy and the law. By contrast, immigration rate might as well be a push of a button. It's not responsible to jack up the rate first and keep it that way just because it's not "the-thing-that-ought-to-change".

There are of course other externalities with high immigration rates (for contrast, US immigration rate is not that high), and the downsides to low immigration are overstated. Older generations won't live forever, but what I generally see is a call for unnecessary wealth transfer from young generation to old. Boomers are the wealthiest demographic already. We don't need to give them more freebies.

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War is good for business. There is not many places in middle east when you can wage war with profit anymore. What are the other places where we could wage wars ? Places with very high standard of living, something like civil-wars? Something something elite big (rhyme to „dose”) doing business? At this point you have to be very ignorant to not see that or very stupid.

>War is good for business.

War is only good for business if your enemy can't do anything to you. WW2 was fucking devastation for everyone involved except the US, which came out saying it's good for business because it had two fucking oceans and nobody could do much beyond dropping a couple balloons.

Likewise with all the subsequent wars the US has been involved in, the homeland hasn't come under fire ever. The military industrial complex has had free reign to peddle agony and death across the planet without having to buy some ourselves.

Of fucking course this is good for business, but this is not the norm and we the people should do our fucking damnedest to prevent the country from engaging in any more wars because the fucking fire we've been playing with will fucking burn our fucking asses eventually.

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Canada is in a demographic crisis: The birthrate is too low, the population is aging and the country can’t afford to provide people with all of the social benefits AND have no laborers paying in to the benefit system. Importing lots of young labor rebalances the demographics and bolsters funding of benefits, at the expense of a housing crisis and social tensions. The alternative is to deeply cut benefits, which is po…

Canada could have imported as many young educated people as it wanted from Eastern European countries, Russia, former USSR members etc. What happens in reality is they can't get enough points due to some truly moronic rules. Yet somehow we mostly have people from other parts of the world whose main specialty is food delivery.

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> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Gonna tell you a secret, the world isn't black and white, while there are areas such as the economy where we struggle to compete as an European I would never want to live in the US again (I studied in Columbus Ohio for 7 months as an exchange student at OSU and traveled US multiple times). The streets here are clean, spotting a homeless person is borderline impossible even if you try, in US I've seen tents, bidonvill…

FWIW, as an American, I see it as a mixed bag. Our economy is stronger, but it creates a lot of wealth inequality and unhappiness.

Do you see a strong economy as a goal in itself? I see it as a proxy measure for the things that truly matter. Happiness, good health, good education, the freedom to lead your life the way you want. America fails miserably on all of those.

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> And most of it misplaced. I've seen that tactic to try to discredit real, valid concerns with immigration, either by lumping it with racism (which definitely exists, but is not the only argument against unfettered immigration), or by pretending something else is the problem (something else may also be a problem, but that doesn't make the problems that people are worried about with high levels of immigration invalid…

>When you couple that with astronomical housing prices and a stagnant economy When you compare Canada, the US or some of the higher immigration countries in Europe to developed countries without immigration you'd wish you'd have price increase problems. Japan, sometimes hailed as an alternative to immigration is now so poor and old that middle class Westerners travel there like they traveled to a middle income countr…

> Cultural and housing problems are fixable (just build more housing), dying out is not.

We've been through this endless times through history. When one ethnic group is exterminated, they are still dead even if strangers move into their land and dwellings. Whether that is done through war, disease or economic strangling of the youth. All has the same result and it is a crime against humanity and a crime against God.

As long as the Japanese are allowed to exist, they can flourish again. Not if they've been replaced by different people. It's the same for all of us in the world.

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You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.

That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

>"That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians."

They came here for better life. Nothing is wrong with that. Country can use it to its advantage or fuck it up.

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