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Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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post #339

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I always allocate an email of my+company@myemail.com and the number of email validators that don't accept that "+" is a legit email character is infuriating.

That's why I've updated my SMTP config to handle - the same way as + 10+ years ago. And to avoid "why is my business name in your email?" questions, I rot13 it.

Yeah, did the same for my SMTP config way back. Don't think my family users have managed to get their head around it yet though.

> to avoid "why is my business name in your email?" questions, I rot13 it.

That's a neat idea.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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post #289

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> Who a person follows is a pretty strong signal of their values I strongly disagree, and believing this to be true is a problem for public discourse IMO. What a person posts and who they repost is a strong signal of their values. I dislike/disagree with the validity of a social construct where people who choose to stay informed are assumed to hold values they do not.

I don't think you can really decide whether something is a useful signal or not. I don't and can't assume anything about an individual because they follow Evil McBaddington. But the fun thing about statistics is I that I can assume a great many things about the set of all people who follow Evil McBaddington. I see this "scale invariant fallacy" all the time with programmers. The forward direction being a thing and th…

> I don't think you can really decide whether something is a useful signal or not. I don't and can't assume anything about an individual because they follow Evil McBaddington.

Maybe I misunderstood your comment, but isn’t that exactly the opposite of what you’re saying here?

> Who a person follows is a pretty strong signal of their values

If your position is closer to “on average, people who follow other people tend to be more aligned with the people they follow”, I’d probably agree. But this is a vastly different statement than “following someone strongly indicates endorsement”.

> I see this "scale invariant fallacy" all the time with programmers.

I think it’s problematic to bring too much of an engineering mindset to a social issue like this. Algorithms can be cleanly and rigidly defined. Social issues tend to be messy and complicated.

In terms of pure utility, it may be true that blocking people based on who they follow results in a clean feed at a low (effort) cost. But perpetuating the idea that following someone equals endorsement has longer term social costs and gets into dystopian territory pretty quickly, and depending on why someone is using social media, the impact of entirely excluding the group of people that “follow but disagree” is likely not small. If you’re on there for cat memes, probably not a big deal. If you’re trying to stay informed or be politically active, probably a bigger deal.

And regardless of use case, believing things about other people reflexively based on something like follow status is not a healthy place for society to be. Most people do not appreciate the nuance of what you’re describing as “scale invariant fallacy”.

My biggest issue here is the framing and the questionable/harmful conclusions that can be derived from it.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Open question, why do people keep caring about socials that much? Especially educated people should stay away from that toxicity. Boards like HN and occasionally Reddit, where it's mostly about discussing and being anonymous are the only places worth contributing on the internet other than personal blogs.

Some people think it’s fun.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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>“you’re telling me there’s a @choldgraf@hachyderm.io and a @choldgraf@mastodon.social and they’re two different people?!” Yes, and choldgraf@gmail.com and choldgraf@ibm.com are different email-people, too. This is not a hard concept.

I'm noticing here that people are giving it the college try of insisting that email domains are "too confusing". I think the further down this rabbit hole we go, the more equivocal one has to be about how large percentage of the population that actually is.

I work at a company that relies on engagement with customers over email I'm sure plenty of other people here do as well, and whatever people's confusion with email, somehow they figure it out when they need to and the world seems to keep turning.

At some point this conversation is no longer about the specifics of Mastodon or BlueSky, it's just general information literacy and functional literacy.

Hilariously, arguments of the form "what if people do it wrong" like this were made even for the introduction of calculators. I think it's better understood as an ordinary rite of passage than the specific identification of a genuine problem.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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This was the weakest point of the whole article, particularly because Mastodon and Bluesky are identical in this respect. The reason he doesn't realize it is that almost everyone is on the same instance. So yes, you will have: @stephenking.bsky.social and @stephenking.bsky.otherinstance Unless Bluesky remains a single server, in which case it's not at all decentralized.

It’s already exactly the same problem. @zuck.bsky.app and @zuck.meta.com are two different accounts. The only “problem” bsky solves is choosing a server. But if ATProto becomes widely used, the problem will appear as in Mastodon today. The only way to avoid it is for bsky to never become really decentralised. So yet another VC-backed social media company.

I think this is why this is in truth, an aesthetic choice masquerading as a conversation about technical implementation.

I think there's no two ways around it, @stephenking.bsky.social looks better than @stephenking@mastodon.social.

Blue Sky does the names better and opts people into a default server at the moment, and I would say their desktop and mobile experience is a bit better, and that feels like they've solved something specific and technical even though, as you pointed out, the issue with domains is the same in each case.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Open question, why do people keep caring about socials that much? Especially educated people should stay away from that toxicity. Boards like HN and occasionally Reddit, where it's mostly about discussing and being anonymous are the only places worth contributing on the internet other than personal blogs.

There’s a broadly believed myth that it produces meaningful professional opportunities among certain folks in the industry. In my observations this is very rarely true, and in many more cases it’s a professional liability.

It's not a myth. I got 2 amazing offers (one of which is now my job) via Twitter. I hope Bluesky can eventually offer the same.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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To have the best of all worlds:

- your own blog on a domain you control

- effortless crossposting to bluesky, mastodon, threads, linkedin, and others

Then micro.blog is a great solution!

It follows the POSSE principle: Publish on your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere.

see: https://micro.blog/about/crosspost

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Open question, why do people keep caring about socials that much? Especially educated people should stay away from that toxicity. Boards like HN and occasionally Reddit, where it's mostly about discussing and being anonymous are the only places worth contributing on the internet other than personal blogs.

There’s a broadly believed myth that it produces meaningful professional opportunities among certain folks in the industry. In my observations this is very rarely true, and in many more cases it’s a professional liability.

This is highly dependent on what particular professional niche you're in.

Hollywood actors are now routinely cast (in part) based on how many social media followers they have, leading to a lot of weirdness around their agents and agencies buying followers, accusing other competing actors of buying followers, etc.

A bit closer to the HN crowd, there is definitely a correlation between speaking at conferences and having an "audience" and being a well-known figure online.

Similarly, the "build-in-public" indie folks are active on social trying to break the build it and they will come cycle.

There are ways to participate and filter through the noise that are positive, but certainly a lot of negative as well.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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I predict Bluesky will add some form of targeted advertisements in the future once the user base has grown to a certain size. Isn't that obvious? I'd assume that's also why investors are willing to invest.

They are trying to avoid that. I hang around there pretty much. I expect premium services subscriptions will be the first try. If that works, and I think it could, that will be fine. The fact of it being a public benefit LLC makes the profitability requirement much less pressing. Also, there will be revenue opportunities from being the canonical AT Proto first mover. It’s way too early to tell, or worry.

I certainly hope it works because rebalancing the world away from X is a win for the world.

I'm not sure we have much precedent for that model working to sustain any form of social media for the masses. It has in my experience been great for specific services (happily paying for pinboard on a yearly subscription!) but I'm not sure it will work for aby service aspiring to be a universal town square.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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I am a huge BLuesky fan. I have switched my entire social experience to it. I get good engagement, mostly with seemingly decent people. I almost always can find interesting things to read. I have moderated the shit out of my feed. I rarely see things I do not want to (I had to give up politics and current events after the election). I use the list feature to curate separate feeds for different topics (music, programm…

I have stayed away from it for a while, but after my partner switched over to it I decided to delve deeper into it. The openess of Bluesky to developers is a breath of fresh air and the platform itself has some really great features. So I guess you can say I'm a fan now too.

I was also able to create an app on Bluesky that grew to 15k users in less than a month[1]. The Bluesky team was really open to helping me with some rate limits to make sure it could continue running well too. Reddit and Twitter probably had similar vibes when they were starting out, perhaps Bluesky will face the same fate, but there are no guarantees with any platform out there.

1 - https://listifications.app

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