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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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It will always be a challenge to allocate limited healthcare resources. It's an unsettled question why the US accepts such an expensive means (private health insurance) of doing so.

It isn't like US public system, medicare, is great. I still end up buying my folks supplemental. This narrative of pubic vs private misses most of the nuance.

there's so much nuance in an insurance company having billions left over every year after subtracting payouts from premiums! it's sooo complex and nuanced

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Well it’s very unfortunate for all Americans that rely on any healthcare company. Since they will all be increasing their rates soon to cover the expenses of 24/7 armed guards, armored vehicles, etc… Edit: Or a reduction in service quality to cover the new expenses.

As if they couldn't just buy that without increasing prices and still make a gazillion dollars.

For what reasons?

Why would they all start behaving like charities?

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So there is no evidence. The simpler explanation is that political Party A proposed legislation, and political Party B attacks it because a win for Party A is a loss for Party B. And digging into just slightly further makes the claim make even less sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel > Palin's spokesperson pointed to Section 1233 of bill HR 3200 which would have paid physicians for providing voluntary co…

"No evidence" - if you can't avoid misinterpreting every sentence to go off on a rant, this thread is not worth continuing. Insurance companies spent billions of dollars on advertisements against the ACA. This is public record. They did it because they opposed all of the good things the act required - such as prohibiting discrimination base on pre-existing conditions or demographics (other than age), requiring many b…

Someone claimed health insurance companies came up with “death panels”, I provided evidence and logic to the contrary.

No one is ranting, but there does seem to be a lot of “I feel like this could have happened, so I am going to choose to believe this happened because it confirms my priors”.

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I was responding to >But sometimes it's the only way to enact change. >In my ideal world, accountability would be these rich bastards getting hauled into congress and charged for the abuses their companies inflict on American citizens. My point is that these rich bastards are playing by the rules the American citizens set up. American citizens have the power to change those rules if they want, but cant agree on anyth…

> My point is that these rich bastards are playing by the rules the American citizens set up. Mmmmmmm.... yes and no? Like it's cliche to blame everything on Reagan but the number of modern social ills that can be directly traced to the Reagan admin and the political movement behind it really does baffle the mind. Ills such as, for example: - The deregulation of corporate finances, that permits the massive stock buyb…

That is very close to my point. It is very easy to focus on a shady cabal and ignore the plurality of our countrymen that actively think and want something different.

It is like there is a deep denial that real humans often want something different, and that we are forced to share a democratic society with them, which means losing on issues where we think we are right.

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In the interest of brevity, they're not called silencers, they're called suppressors since they don't "silence" anything like in a Hollywood movie. Typically a suppressor will reduce the sound signature of a gunshot from something like 140dBA to 110dBA. Still enough to cause hearing damage and be heard a quarter mile away.

Off-topic, but the US is, oddly, a bit of an outlier compared to some of our cousins on the other side of the Atlantic, where buying one can be an over the counter transaction. It's weird to be in a situation where the US is more restrictive in anything related to firearms, but I assume the European attitude is that it reduces nuisance when gun ownership is more regulated at the front end.

Crafting of US legislation has absolutely no basis in efficacy or data, it's entirely driven by the news cycle. Something attention grabbing (like a Mandalay) happens, something extremely specific from the headlines but largely secondary to enabling the actual crime (like bump stocks) are banned, then the whole thing is forgotten about

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As someone who endured UHC for several years, I assure you there is no service quality to reduce. > How do they still have that many customers if their service was so bad? Because the people making the decision to purchase UHC services and using UHC services are two wildly different demographics.

How do they still have that many customers if their service was so bad? Do they have an effective monopoly in certain States?

what is this post? are you under the impression that you get to choose your health insurance provider in the US? your job picks for you

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I'm sorry you buy into all the misleading nonsense from the prepper gun lobby.. They did widen the definition of dealers, but it's still "a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business to predominantly earn a profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms." So casually selling guns to friends and family is fine and doesn't require a licen…

Ok I see the final rule does add definitions of "personal collection," so that would cover me. "Occasionally," is not defined, so that's vague. What if I sell 5 at once? What if I sell 1 a week for 5 weeks, is that still occasional? Up to the ATF to decide. After reading the affidavit, it was written before the final rule. The affidavit was written 3/6/24 and the final rule didn't take effect until 30 days after 4/10…

Sure but many laws leave room for reasonable people to decide whether something rises to the level of crime.. I'm not sure it much matters because he was lying on the Federal background check forms which is a separate crime that the ATF was investigating and he was shipping / receiving them over state lines, another crime that's indifferent to whether his selling 150 guns was a hobby.

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"No evidence" - if you can't avoid misinterpreting every sentence to go off on a rant, this thread is not worth continuing. Insurance companies spent billions of dollars on advertisements against the ACA. This is public record. They did it because they opposed all of the good things the act required - such as prohibiting discrimination base on pre-existing conditions or demographics (other than age), requiring many b…

Someone claimed health insurance companies came up with “death panels”, I provided evidence and logic to the contrary. No one is ranting, but there does seem to be a lot of “I feel like this could have happened, so I am going to choose to believe this happened because it confirms my priors”.

That's not correct. The OP said that

>we let insurance companies label government triage as "death panels"

Who said the term first doesn't matter. Who popularized it does. Insurance lobbyists and the conservative politicians they funded did.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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I advocate for the fairer distribution of wealth in society. Not only because it's fair but because it's better for everyone . There are many reasons for this including avoiding the alienation of labor and giving people dignity. All it takes is the ultra-wealthy to have slightly less wealth . So why is wealth concentration bad for society apart from that? Because the ultimate form of wealth distribution is war and re…

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you already knew this when you made your post, but the calculus changes a little bit when there is a positive financial incentive to letting people die
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