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Intel announces Arc B-series "Battlemage" discrete graphics with Linux support

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Post by treprinum »

teekert wrote: post #382
bayindirh wrote: post #264

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Disclosure: HPC admin who works with NIVIDA cards here. Because, no. It's not as simple as that. NVIDIA has a complete ecosystem now. They have cards. They have cards of cards (platforms), which they produce, validate and sell. They have NVLink crossbars and switches which connects these cards on their card of cards with very high speeds and low latency. For inter-server communication they have libraries which coordi…

I have a question for you, since I’m somewhat entering the HPC world. In the EU the EuroHPC-JU is building what they call AI factories, afaict these are just batch processing (Slurm I think) clusters with GPUs in the nodes. So I wonder where you’d place those cards of cards. Are you saying there is another, perhaps better ways to use massive amounts of these cards? Or is that still in the “super powerful workstation”…

View it as Raspberry Pi for AI workloads. Initial stage is for enthusiasts that would develop the infra, figure out what is possible and spread the word. Then the next phase will be SME industry adoption, making it commercially interesting, while bypassing Nvidia completely. At some point it would live its own life and big players jump in. Classical disrupt strategy via low cost unique offerings.

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Post by lm28469 »

ben_w wrote: post #206
kimixa wrote: post #184

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I think there'll be a "financial" winter - or another way a bubble burst - the investment right now is simply unsustainable, how are these products going to be monetized? Nvidia had a revenue of $27billion in 2023 - that's about $160 per person per year [0] for every working age person in the USA. And it's predicted to more than double in 2024. If you reduce that to office workers (you know, the people who might actu…

While I'd agree monetisation seems to be a challenge in the long term (analogy: spreadsheets are used everywhere, but are so easy to make they're not themselves a revenue stream, only as part of a bigger package)… > Nvidia had a revenue of $27billion in 2023 - that's about $160 per person per year [0] for every working age person in the USA As a non-American, I'd like to point out we also earn money. > as no AI is go…

I love how the fact that we might not want AI/robots everywhere in our lives isn't even discussed.

They could serve us a plate of shit and we'd debate if pepper or salt is better to complement it

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Post by whalesalad »

jmward01 wrote: post #103

12GB max is a non-starter for ML work now. Why not come out with a reasonably priced 24gb card even if it isn't the fastest and target it at the ML dev world? Am I missing something here?

I still don't understand why graphics cards haven't evolved to include sodimm slots so that the vram can be upgraded by the end user. At this point memory requirements vary so much from gamer to scientist so it would make more sense to offer compute packages with user-supplied memory.

tl;dr GPU's need to transition from being add-in cards to being a sibling motherboard. A sisterboard? Not a daughter board.

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Post by dmonitor »

Novosell wrote: post #192
philistine wrote: post #158

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I'm baffled that PC gamers have decided that 1440p is the endgame for graphics. When I look at a 27-inch 1440p display, I see pixel edges everywhere. It's right at the edge of losing the visibility of individual pixels, since I can't perceive them at 27-inch 2160p, but not quite there yet for desktop distances. Time marches on, and I become ever more separated from gaming PC enthusiasts.

Gaming at 2160p is just too expensive still, imo. You gotta pay more for your monitor, GPU and PSU. Then if you want side monitors that match in resolution, you're paying more for those as well. You say PC gamers at the start of your comment and gaming PC enthusiasts at the end. These groups are not the same and I'd say the latter is largely doing ultrawide, 4k monitor or even 4k TV. According to steam, 56% are on 10…

The major drawback for PC gaming at 4k that I never see mentioned is how much heat the panels generate. Many of them generate so much heat that rely on active cooling! I bought a pair of high refresh 4k displays and combined with the PC, they raised my room to an uncomfortable temperature. I returned them for other reasons (hard to justify not returning them when I got laid off a week after purchasing them), but I've since made note of the wattage when scouting monitors.

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Post by mandelken »

jsheard wrote: post #268
Der_Einzige wrote: post #233

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It doesn't matter if the "cost is driven up". Nvidia has proven that we're all lil pay pigs for them. 5090 will be 3000$ for 32gb of VRAM. Screenshot this now, it will age well. We'd be happy to pay 5000 for 128gb from Intel.

The question is whether there's enough overall demand for a GPU architecture with 4x the VRAM of a 5090 but only about 1/3rd of the bandwidth. At that point it would only really be good for AI inferencing, so why not make specialized inferencing silicon instead?

I genuinely wonder why no one is doing this? Why can't I buy this specialized AI inference silicon with plenty of VRAM?

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Post by IshKebab »

tremon wrote: post #29
jeffbee wrote: post #15

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What is the newest platform that lacks resizable BAR? It was standardized in 2006. Is 4060-level graphics performance useful in whatever old computer has that problem?

The newest platform is probably POWER10. ReBar is not supported on any POWER platform, most likely including the upcoming POWER11. Also, I don't think you'll find many mainboards from 2006 supporting it. It may have been standardized in 2006, but a quick online search leads me to think that even on x86 mainboards it didn't become commonly available until at least 2020.

Oh no... my POWER gaming rig... no..

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Post by qudat »

Havoc wrote: post #211

Who is the target audience for this? Well informed gamers know Intel's discrete GPU is hanging by a thread, so they're not hoping on that bandwagon. Too small for ML. The only people really happy seem to be the ones buying it for transcoding and I can't imagine there is a huge market of people going "I need to go buy a card for AV1 encoding".

If you go on the intel arc subreddit people are hyped about intel GPUs. Not sure what the price is but the previous gen was cheap and the extra competition is welcomed

In particular, intel just needs to support vfio and it’ll be huge for homelabs.

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Post by ben_w »

lm28469 wrote: post #392
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While I'd agree monetisation seems to be a challenge in the long term (analogy: spreadsheets are used everywhere, but are so easy to make they're not themselves a revenue stream, only as part of a bigger package)… > Nvidia had a revenue of $27billion in 2023 - that's about $160 per person per year [0] for every working age person in the USA As a non-American, I'd like to point out we also earn money. > as no AI is go…

I love how the fact that we might not want AI/robots everywhere in our lives isn't even discussed. They could serve us a plate of shit and we'd debate if pepper or salt is better to complement it

It's pretty often discussed, it's just hard to put everything into a single comment (or thread).

I mean, Yudkowsky has basically spent the last decade screaming into the void about how AI will with high probability literally kill everyone, and even people like me who think that danger is much less likely still look at the industrial revolution and how slow we were to react to the harms of climate change and think "speed-running another one of these may be unwise, we should probably be careful".

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Post by heraldgeezer »

terhechte wrote: post #333
heraldgeezer wrote: post #246

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I have been trying to hold my slurs in reading this thread. These ML AI Macbook people are legit insane. Desktops and gaming is ugly and complex to them (because lego is hard and macbook look nice unga bunga), yet it is a mass market Intel wants to move in on. People here complain because Intel is not making a cheap GPU to "make AI" on when that's a market of maybe 1000 people. This Intel card is perfect for an espor…

Most devs use windows ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/869211/worldwide-softwar... ). Reddit llocallama alone has 250k users. Clearly the market is bigger than 1000 people. Why are gamers and Linux people always so aggressive diminutive of other people’s interests?

>Why are gamers and Linux people always so aggressive diminutive of other people’s interests?

Both groups have a high autism %

We love to be "technically correct" and we often are. So we get frustrated when people claim things that are wrong.

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