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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by thebruce87m »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #156
peppertree wrote: post #15

I suspect the biggest factor is speed. After getting used to EV for over a year, every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. If that's the case I'm curious to see how the numbers compare to other EVs.

I heard EVs are very heavy, how can they be faster?

People love to say that EVs are very heavy, or are much, much heavier, massively heavier and so on. This paints the wrong picture in people’s heads. The same people will use the Hummer EV as an example, but most people aren’t driving that.

https://thedriven.io/2024/05/03/are-evs-really-much-heavier-...

> full electric versions are only around 10% to 15% heavier than their direct ICE equivalent

To put it into perspective, from the table, you could load an ICE with passengers and some luggage and it would weigh the same as the EV equivalent with just the driver.

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Post by ithkuil »

Chance-Device wrote: post #240
ithkuil wrote: post #211

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Unfortunately complex systems cannot be fixed by simply going full forward in the opposite direction of a bad direction. And yet we not only want to revert any decision that was made that we think correlates with an unhappy situation, we also want to choose people who are as different as possible from the guys we think are responsible for the unwanted status quo. So if the current politicians are serious people who t…

> Unfortunately complex systems cannot be fixed by simply going full forward in the opposite direction of a bad direction. Tell that to gradient descent. (Though the step sizes are a bit shorter than four years)

Yeah that's why the second half of my comment was the dimensionality of the space

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Post by CalRobert »

oblio wrote: post #82
CalRobert wrote: post #53

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Even a decent town puts most things within a walk or bike ride. San Luis Obispo comes to mind as an example.

I've never understood the argument about small towns being worse for urbanism. Back in the day, before cars were widespread, everything had to be close by. You don't even have to sacrifice the backyard for that, you can have a city layout that puts the houses themselves fairly close to each other, and the yards can radiate outwards. Then you connect each cluster's main street with the other ones, but unlike suburbs,…

Indeed, and there are small businesses mixed in with the houses. But the problem is cars (it's always cars). A coffee shop next to your house is fine - a delight even - when 20 people arrive by walking or biking. When it's 20 cars though it's misery.

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Post by namaria »

valval wrote: post #385
namaria wrote: post #222

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It sucks for everyone. What you want us to do? Pretend it ain't so?

It doesn’t suck for the majority of people in the country. For them, it’s what they’d love to see. Funnily enough, comments like yours are also what they’d love to see. Seeing leftists in tears over the policy changes we’re going to see is a great form of entertainment for many people.

It will suck soon enough for those thick enough to be gleeful about it now.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by namaria »

ithkuil wrote: post #285
namaria wrote: post #230

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What's 4D chess about saying they'll diminish the government capacity to regulate their business and proceeding to doing so? It doesn't take an evil genius master plan to go about that.

The genius would lie in planning that in advance. You'd need to buy Twitter for quite a lot of money, use it to influence elections or at least give the impression that you'd been instrumental in influencing the election so that the new president will want to give you a new department with a funny name you made up. I don't know man, my Occam's razor cuts another way.

It doesn't take genius for an opportunistic rich person to expand their power and wealth. You're just creating a narrative from a string of cherry picked events. The Twitter acquisition also destroyed a ton of value.

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Post by ivewonyoung »

tzs wrote: post #325
Alupis wrote: post #267

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Let's not pretend everyone is aghast at the goals of this administration. We just had an election and these viewpoints resoundingly won the day. A non-trivial component to this election was this constant, smug nagging. "We know better, you're all so stupid". If you turn out to be right, enjoy your smug "I told you so", but until then - these views are a minority and are very tiring to constantly see/hear/read.

That's a pretty simplistic analysis. People largely voted on immigration and inflation. You can't infer anything about what they thought on other issues.

Inflation was caused by increased government spending, no?

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Post by ivewonyoung »

rootusrootus wrote: post #322
ipaddr wrote: post #295

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Because you are sharing legacy media's views. We can turn on a tv for that.

> legacy media Doesn't Fox News have the highest viewer numbers of any of the news stations? What fraction of local news stations are owned by Sinclair? I don't think you get to call "legacy media" out for being liberal when such a large part is not.

No, fox News isn't the highest. ABC,CBS and NBC News have more viewers.

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Post by ivewonyoung »

ithkuil wrote: post #285
namaria wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's 4D chess about saying they'll diminish the government capacity to regulate their business and proceeding to doing so? It doesn't take an evil genius master plan to go about that.

The genius would lie in planning that in advance. You'd need to buy Twitter for quite a lot of money, use it to influence elections or at least give the impression that you'd been instrumental in influencing the election so that the new president will want to give you a new department with a funny name you made up. I don't know man, my Occam's razor cuts another way.

It is not a department.

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Post by Sverigevader »

I'd like to add my perspective here. I drove 50 miles to and from work every day for 5 years, around Stockholm, Sweden. 80 % highway traffic.

The only driving aid I use (rely on) on is ACC (Automatic Cruise Control), to keep my speed and distance (maximum) to the car in front of me. I almost always stay in the rightmost lane doing the speed limit.

Without a doubt Tesla drivers consistently stood out as the most "strange". Drivers of all brands can be stressed and drive too fast, but Tesla drivers were janky, couldn't stay in their lanes, and very often didn't keep a safe distance to the car in front of them.

Worst part, they didn't seem aware of their surroundings. They would merge in the most insane situations/positions or dangerously try to pass other drivers.

I don't know if they relied on their hardware to guide them, this autopilot thing, or whatever else they have, but it puckered me up good.

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