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Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by gljiva »

what wrote: post #184
ryandrake wrote: post #81

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> Website operators have a right to study how people use their website just the same as a brick-and-mortar operator has the right to study how customers navigate their store isles. I think reasonable people can disagree about this, and if enough reasonable people think that a web site operator should not have that "right" then they should be able to pass legislation to curtail it. As a user, I say I should have the r…

You have a right to not visit websites that you think are collecting to much information about you. That’s about it.

Yes, and I'm glad I can at least now tell such sites from others. Not allowing such malicious compliance would be better, but this is still an improvement over websites stealing data with no way of telling it happens

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by mpeg »

jolmg wrote: post #376
mpeg wrote: post #232

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What I find funny about the whole thing is that the grand majority of companies with cookie banners are not implementing them correctly, and therefore are still in breach of the law. I see constantly banners on sites that set tracking cookies by default, and delete them if you reject them in the banner (or even worse, not delete them at all!) – this is not compliant as the cookies were set before consent was given Al…

> I see constantly banners on sites that set tracking cookies by default, and delete them if you reject them in the banner (or even worse, not delete them at all!) – this is not compliant as the cookies were set before consent was given Depends on what you consider to be "cookies were set". I think it's a valid argument that cookies aren't set until a "Set-Cookie" HTTP header is sent to the server. The banner is just…

What I mean is a lot of sites will add tracking cookies like say through a google analytics tag before the user has actually accepted them.

Then, if the user clicks to reject cookies in the banner they remove the tracking cookies etc – but this is not compliant since if the user takes no action they are being tracked by default.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by jolmg »

mpeg wrote: post #392
jolmg wrote: post #376

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> I see constantly banners on sites that set tracking cookies by default, and delete them if you reject them in the banner (or even worse, not delete them at all!) – this is not compliant as the cookies were set before consent was given Depends on what you consider to be "cookies were set". I think it's a valid argument that cookies aren't set until a "Set-Cookie" HTTP header is sent to the server. The banner is just…

What I mean is a lot of sites will add tracking cookies like say through a google analytics tag before the user has actually accepted them. Then, if the user clicks to reject cookies in the banner they remove the tracking cookies etc – but this is not compliant since if the user takes no action they are being tracked by default.

Oh. Then I agree.

Re: Analysis of economic and productivity losses caused by cookie banners in Europe

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Post by seeknotfind »

deprecative wrote: post #378
seeknotfind wrote: post #367

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You can always find disagreement if you look for it. Maybe this is your thing, given user name, your account makes an interesting study on it. Though in this case, I wouldn't be so reductive. Not all complexity (I ascribe to the result) is due to bad intentions (e.g. greed). There's also the EU GDPR trying to protect kids. AI assistant might be a tool to try to help users. If you want to simplify the cause here, how…

Why do we need to protect kids? Greed. Why do we need AI to help people? Greed. It's not complex. There are complex things but understanding the cause of business doing business is not complex. It's simple.

If you break things down in this way, the result is discontent, not a solution.
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