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Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by s1artibartfast »

mistrial9 wrote: post #378
s1artibartfast wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so binary. Economic growth and prosperity does benefit a broad swath of society.

btw the actual couch used by Marie Antionette is now on display at the San Francisco Legion of Honor.. a very expensive couch! at least a dozen people must have benefited economically from that couch.

They most certainly did! However, that is a pretty tortured comparison if that was the case.

I think I would be harder to make such a cynical zing about the net benefit of allowing 10,000 doctors to immigrate.

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Post by dmortin »

silisili wrote: post #383
bradley13 wrote: post #59

I once applied for a job that precisely matched my qualifications. It was crazy - the job description could have been written by someone looking at my CV. I didn't even get an interview. Likely no one did. It wasn't a ghost job, though. It was a position created for a someone they wanted to hire. Being a public institution, they were required to advertise positions. That didn't mean that they actually wanted any of t…

I had a similar situation/question. I knew an old coworker who was eagerly trying to get me on their team at another company. They said I had to apply and then they'd take it to their manager who was already on board with the idea. So I did, at 10PM or so at night. And within a few minutes, got a rejection email. To this day I wonder if someone clicked reject, or the system just autorejected me because of something i…

Didn't you tell to old coworker what happened? He would have probably looked into it.

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Post by non- »

This is one of the issues we're running into at my startup ApplyAll (automates job applications & the job search in general).

Our current best solution is to track when jobs get published/unpublished so that we can tell what's a repost (more likely to be a ghost job) vs a fresh job with high-intention to get the role filled.

I was talking to my co-founder this morning about collecting enough data so that we can analyze if it's even worth it for us to apply customers to re-posted jobs (there are legit reasons companies might do that) or if the hit rate is too low to bother (our kpi is interview-requests).

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Post by jollyllama »

Every time I get asked to look at resumes, we get loads of ghost applicants. In the first days when the job listing is fresh, floods of resumes with identical formatting, all over-qualified, with similar sounding projects that read like buzzword ad-libs. Of course, they never call back.

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Post by 0x20cowboy »

endtime wrote: post #241
goochphd wrote: post #145

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I once applied to a position like this. It was eerily similar to my background, and when I did a little digging I found that the group lead had even directly cited my research papers in his own research work. I applied on the site, reached out on LinkedIn to the group lead and the recruiter, and even was able to find emails for those two, which I also messaged as well. They didn't even bother to send me an automated…

When I last changed jobs, I started looking at the end of 2021. I was a staff SWE at Google, MS CS from Stanford, etc. - a good resume. I also found myself applying into a black hole. But when I used second degree connections to get someone at the company to acknowledge I existed, everything started moving, and I ended up with great offers from both the companies I had applied in. Sometimes there are ghost roles, but…

I don’t think you intended this, but it made me chuckle… Your comment essentially boils down to “come from a privileged background and things will work out”.

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Post by Scoundreller »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #237
yawnxyz wrote: post #91

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Same, and I've been on the side of being the person they want to hire too. This should also be illegal, but alas

I don't think there's anything one can realistically do about this. They probably should get rid of the requirement to have an open application process altogether. If they have someone in mind they will hire, they will hire that person.

It can also be a union thing and not a problem exclusive to the public sector

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

georgeecollins wrote: post #321
hobs wrote: post #247

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Yep, they love a giant database filled with candidates they will never check out.

To me this is like: Why work for a big company? I worked for a big company once and did not like it. Kids out of college are always drawn to the big names, and they can look good on your resume. My feeling is, if you want to work for a big company, work for a small one and make it big. I can say from experience that turns out really well.

> work for a small one and make it big. I can say from experience that turns out really well.

Survivor bias.

I worked for a smallish company. I was employee number 77. I got laid off about a year and a half later after sales stalled. We're now almost two years after that layoff, and now the company has a skeleton crew just keeping the lights on until the money runs out.

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

bluGill wrote: post #169
ndiddy wrote: post #36

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I'm glad our government has introduced the H1B program to help out employers like you who are dealing with a shortage of tech workers (who will work for 2/3 market and will do anything you say because if they get fired they'll be deported).

H1b should be a bid salery to play not first to apply. That is we will allow x of them, when you sponser someone you commit to paying them some salary for the full term - no layoffs (you get fire for cause but that is a legal thing they can take you to court for , and the courts can force you to give back pay if it wasn't a good cause) , you should know your budget can afford them. , someone who really is the best ,…

You're halfway there. H1Bs should also require payment to the government of $250k/year. Style it as a fee or a tax or whatever.

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Post by justsomehnguy »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #220
shmatt wrote: post #171

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The law says I can’t submit the I-140 application, which I follow the law and I don’t submit it. As a people manager it’s a heartbreaking conversation to have - to tell a report their dream of staying beyond their visa is gone The law says every line manager needs to do their own industry pulse check every time an i-140 is submitted. And this is the only legal way to pulse check (advertise a ghost job). It would be m…

So… the interviewee doesn’t get the job even though they knocked it out of the park, and the H1B doesn’t get their visa because the other interviewee did well. Basically nobody wins, and the H1B person is out of a job in 2-3 years?

> Basically nobody wins

Business wins.

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Post by giantg2 »

avgDev wrote: post #194
giantg2 wrote: post #166

What's really weird is supposedly the market is on a bull run, the economy is doing great, and technical talent is in demand, yet the tech job market is absolute shit. I'm thinking I might get laid off or fired next year and my top option is probably working some $50k/yr help desk position after about 13 yoe, a masters, certs, etc. Those seem to be the only legitimate tech ads in my area. Of course for $25/hr I could…

If you are a software dev, have a masters, have DB knowledge and can write scripts, you should look into non-tech companies. I am a fullstack dev, and can solo support and write software for a mid size company. We plan on getting a junior or another dev soon. We will definitely be paying a junior minimum $60k+ and expect nothing but learning first year. We are in a MCOL area, so this is about average. WLB is good. No…

I'm already at a non-tech company. That's part of the problem. They say F U IT division since you're a cost center.
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