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Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by jszymborski »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #342
jszymborski wrote: post #327

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I had a similar experience with Dell after they wanted the price of a new laptop for a replacement laptop battery. This was for the Dell Studio back when battery packs were made to be swappable by simply sliding a latch. After that phone call to customer support, I made a similar vow to never buy another Dell product. These days, I use a Framework laptop.

You couldn't buy something from eBay or TaoBao/Alibaba?

I did in fact buy a knock-off from ebay battery, but it kept it kept it's charge for hilariously little time. Had to run it of mains power permanently (ran it as a little server for a while).

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Post by jszymborski »

calmbonsai wrote: post #346
jszymborski wrote: post #327

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I had a similar experience with Dell after they wanted the price of a new laptop for a replacement laptop battery. This was for the Dell Studio back when battery packs were made to be swappable by simply sliding a latch. After that phone call to customer support, I made a similar vow to never buy another Dell product. These days, I use a Framework laptop.

FWIW, it was the same (even at the enterprise level). We had a commodity (local cloud) computing Dell infra in the mid 2010s and were constantly replacing/returning “simple stuff” (fans, support flanges, memory, NICs). “Dude, you’re gettn’ a Dell” became—-nope, never again.

My sitch was around the same time period.

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Post by bonestamp2 »

kev009 wrote: post #273
dllu wrote: post #174

Author here, ask me anything! Apart from programming, one of the motivations for getting the 8K display is to look at lidar point clouds. For example the desktop background in my post is a lidar map of Bernal Hill in San Francisco, which I've here downsampled to only 13006 x 7991 px for your convenience [1]. Admittedly, when I bought it at first, I didn't realize there would be so many random issues, as manufacturers…

I had the Dell 8k monitor you mentioned, the picture quality was great but it died after a few years not long after the warranty expired (a gut punch at the purchase price) and they said too bad so sad... ok that's fine but I will never buy another Dell product again. It was released too early to have proper displayport support and I had to use a custom nvidia-driver X11 config to make it mostly work as two monitors.…

You may want to look at the Samsung 5K monitor. It can often be had for $700. The sharpness of text is beautiful, especially if you're using a mac since it's optimized at 218ppi to avoid scaling. But, it might be smaller than you want. Apple also makes one that is nearly identical, except for the price.

PS - I have seen Dell go downhill as well. I returned the last Dell laptop I bought. My wife was sitting next to me on the couch and her macbook had full wifi bars while the dell had one bar. I did some research and they were using a pretty cheap wifi controller and maybe also had poor antenna design. I ordered a ThinkPad for the same price and it was great.

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Post by throwaway48476 »

esafak wrote: post #372
throwaway48476 wrote: post #134

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Once you no longer see pixels you'll never want to go back.

Don't you long for the warm glow of CRT phosphors??

Not at all. CRTs are terrible in every way. What I'd like is uLED displays to maximize contrast and minimize lumens.

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Post by prvc »

>I don’t usually watch movies on this, but when I do, I set it to 4K 120 Hz mode. The 120 Hz is nice as it is divisible by both 24 fps and 30 fps, which are common framerates for movies, although The Hobbit running at 48 Hz would benefit from Variable Refresh Rate (which does work).

This is naive speculation lacking empirical support. Most movies are released at 23.976 fps, which would necessitate at least one double frame being presented per minute at refresh rates which are multiples of 24 fps. Also there is no 48 fps version of The Hobbit currently available on home media.

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Post by mjrbrennan »

exitb wrote: post #18

After 15 years of having a desk job I find that I’m more sensitive to the position I sit in. My back feels a lot better if I have a single, regular sized screen right in front of me, instead of having additional screen estate on the sides or below (as with a laptop). At the same time I use virtual desktops that I can switch with both keyboard and mouse.

Same, I switched back to a single 27" screen last year. For me it's better to focus on one thing at a time especially since my eyes aren't the best, and I switch between virtual desktops with F1-F4 (or when I use my mac with the 3-finger swipe gesture).

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Post by stephenr »

recursive wrote: post #249
stephenr wrote: post #155

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1080p at 32"? Dear god man have some self respect. Not everything on a screen is meant to look exactly like Tetris you know.

Some people actually don't care. I'm one of them. I express my self-respect in ways other than my screen's resolution.

Don't take every comment so seriously, you do what works for you.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by stephenr »

RajT88 wrote: post #301
stephenr wrote: post #155

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1080p at 32"? Dear god man have some self respect. Not everything on a screen is meant to look exactly like Tetris you know.

The treasure of my retro gaming collection is a 720p 32" CRT. It must be 100lbs.

Sweet baby jesus. What's it like having a room next to your computer just to store a monitor?

I kid, of course. I wouldn't want to use it myself, but you do you.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by stephenr »

necovek wrote: post #371
stephenr wrote: post #160

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I think you'd have to sit further back than is otherwise natural (and then have the issue of legibility/lost workspace) to achieve "can't see the pixels" on this. Sure it's 8K but it's 65", it's only got a PPI of 135. For comparison Apple (computer) displays and a handful of third parties that target Mac use are generally 200-220 PPI. That is can't see the pixels density, even if you smash your face against it.

220 ppi output with no subpixel rendering (ie modern Macs) has clearly visible jagged edges in angled lines and letters if you've got good vision or correct your vision to better than 20/20 (my case: I get headaches if I don't). If you are coming from typesetting world, laser printers from the early 1990s did 600dpi (dots per inch), and that remains sufficient for smooth lines, though newer printers will do 1200dpi t…

There's always "better" of course, but my point was more that "can't see the pixels" doesn't usually mean "I can't see the pixels if I sit back from the display a bit". When the iPhone 4 was introduced, no one said "what's the difference, I can just hold my (other phone) away from my face further and I don't see the pixels!"

Can you reference an example that shows this phenomenon with angled lines? I haven't had an eye test specifically, but my vision is generally fine, and I don't see the effect you're referring to, on for example a lower-case "y".

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Post by madmod »

I built my own laptop that uses a framework 13 mainboard with dual 16” >4k 16:10 1000nit HDR panels. It is the ultimate portable battle station. It has a tripod mount that I use with a magic arm to hold it at eye height. I use dual trackpoint wireless keyboards for better ergonomics.
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