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I still miss the 27" iMacs. They were such a great form factor.

Apple would rather you buy a Studio Display.

If a 27" iMac did exist, it makes the comparison to the Studio Display now a bit odd - because they'd both cost roughly the same price but one has a computer and one doesn't.

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Agreed. I was XCode'ing on an 8gb M1 back during the lockdown, it was great. It's nice to see more RAM and Apple was being very stingy about it, but the real-world is totally overblown.

If you use your PC to only run a single application at any time then yes, 8GB might be usable. If you need to have an Electron app opened, a few browser tabs and XCode (let alone some less efficient IDE)? Your compute will grind to a halt...

Well yeah… like, that's why Electron apps are terrible, though, I bend over backward to avoid them.

Re: New iMac with M4

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> The M4 chip brings a boost in performance to iMac. Featuring a more capable CPU with the world’s fastest CPU core,(4)

Then, deeper in the footnotes where no one ever reads

> (4) Testing was conducted by Apple in October 2024 using shipping competitive systems and select industry-standard benchmarks.

This is why I could never take this company seriously.

Oh, and 1499€ for a computer with 256GB of storage. That you can't upgrade.

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I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

The iMacs very much aren't their main seller. A couple of key demographics use it though: * Families with a shared computer in a common room. Super simple to setup, no fiddling, low price. In the video Apple showcased this use case. My parents have an M3 imac and it works great. They had their last iMac for ten years. * Businesses buy these for reception areas and customers see the Apple logo on the back. Easy soluti…

My daughter's orthodontist has one of these behind every chair. Our dentist has them too.

HN honestly is a terrible source of information for

1) What sells

2) What might sell

Re: New iMac with M4

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It looks beautiful, but it's such a waste to bind the monitor to the computer this way. Monitors outlast many computers.

Re: New iMac with M4

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As someone who mucks around with running LLMs and other large models on my computer the 32GB maximum RAM is a show-stopper for me. I'm on a M2 with 64GB at the moment and I'm already regretting not going for 96 or even 128. I want to be able to run a large model AND other apps at the same time.

I really wish that "elite" LLM folks like yourself or many others in the field would just abandon apple/mac. Yes, they make better laptops from a hardware perspective. No, M series chips are not actually competitive with Nvidia hardware on anything except cheap (and relatively slow) inference of big models. The fact that windows laptops are considered DOA despite the insane amount of inertia behind Nvidia GPUs is jus…

Nvidia's laptop range isn't all that impressive, really the magic is in the 3090/4090 desktop cards where they're hitting a magic trifecta of power+memory+value.

As absurd as it is I just built a PC with a 3090 at both home and work for training and inference then carry around a MBP for everything else.

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Putting the plug on the bottom is an intentional choice by Apple. It's because they don't want you to plug it in to charge, then never remember to unplug it. Mandatory wirelessness.

I'd sooner believe it's because they want you to buy 2 of them, so you can charge one while using the other.

You'd buy a second to avoid taking a 2 minute break?

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I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

The “separate screens” you can buy all suck. They aren’t 5k resolution, and they always have some weird edge case issue you find out about 2 weeks after you buy it.

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Right now, the Apple computer lineup is totally out of alignment for me. The iMac is too small and the laptops are too big. I'd like a minimum 27" display for the iMac, maybe 31". For a laptop, give me something more portable, like the old 2 pound, 12" MacBook.

I love the idea and form of an ultraportable laptop, but I’ve had to face the reality that even a 13” monitor is just too small for me to be productive on complex development tasks. My eyesight isn’t good enough to handle tiny fonts, which could be part of the disconnect. What kind of work are you able to get done on a 12” screen?

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Putting the plug on the bottom is an intentional choice by Apple. It's because they don't want you to plug it in to charge, then never remember to unplug it. Mandatory wirelessness.

Logitech makes mice that worked plugged in and not, and they are durable too because they use a custom plastic piece around the USB connector to ensure a snug fit: https://www.logitechg.com/en-ca/products/gaming-mice/pro-x-s...

Logitech mice don't use the top surface of the mouse as a multi-touch trackpad, so it doesn't matter to Logitech if the top surface of the mouse is uninterrupted by a charging port or not.
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