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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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It's how you tell them > It killed and injured more than 3 thousand people, including children. That can be rewritten with some academic honesty added if you try.

Genuinely curious, how so? This is what I see being reported in major news outlets. Thousands injured, including the families of low ranking officials who happened to be at home together when it happened.

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Do LGBT people in Russia deliberately target non-combattants with shocking levels of violence? If not, then the definition might still hold meaning and Russia's appellation might be ridiculous.

I don't know about LGBT people, but I do know the IDF "deliberately targets non-combattantts with shocking levels of violence". If these designations are so fair and neutral and free of politics then they should be a designated terrorist group too shouldn't they?

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Well, first, there's no de-escalation happening with Hezbollah. Israel, Hezbollah, and Iran are more or less openly at war. We don't talk about it much because the attack failed, but Iran launched a mass drone assault against Israel a few months back. Israel recently exploded Ismael Haniyeh, the political leader of Hamas, in Tehran. Hezbollah rocket attacks on Northern Israel, which killed half a youth soccer team, h…

The Iran "retaliatory" attack was clearly not a serious effort, they mostly used old cheap rockets and drones. It was more to save face and they got a lot of information on Israel's defence systems out of it. And not to mention it cost the Israelis over a 1 billion dollars to thwart while Iran spend a few million.

To both you and the sibling comment, my only argument here is that these countries are openly at war.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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The only way we'd find out how they did it is if some pagers didn't explode and at least one would get into the hands of someone willing to do a public tear-down. In this video, we'll be cutting the explosive battery. Hit the like and subscribe buttons, and let us know what kind of explosive you think this is in the comments. Also, don't try this at home kids, we're what you'd call "professionals".

If it was a US intelligence agency, we could just wait 20-50 years and ask politely and they'd probably tell us how. Say what you will about US intelligence agencies (and there's a LOT to say), but I always did kind of like that feature.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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It's interesting that both targets have been against non-cellular forms of communication. I suspect for Israel they have advanced ways of intercepting text and calls and (probably) even MITM encrypted communications over cellular networks. And this could just as easily be about seeding fear about using anything besides a cell phone.

They are famous for selling notorious spyware to many governments

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Two wrongs don't make a right.

But it stops a third wrong.

It absolutely does not. The violence will continue with both sides dishing it out and feeling completely justified in doing so because of what was previously done to them.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Considering Hezbollah is a designated terrorist organisation in many countries, this probably should be considered an anti-terrorist operation. The targets are enemy combatants. Also notably, it clearly did not intentionally target civilians, although there may be civilian casualties which is uncharacteristic of a terrorist attack.

I assume by "many countries" you mean the US and its allies? Is that it then? Your definition of "terrorist" is whoever the West designates a terrorist? Ergo Nelson Mandela was a terrorist.

What about The Arab League? They're designating them as terrorists, US or not...

Edit: Above is retracted - cjbprime found later information.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

To me it just looks like rhetoric, an us vs. them type deal. Call something terrorism so that you can justify using any kind of violence against them basically.

It isn't rhetoric... It is a specific combat strategy that small nations employ against huge ones. By targeting non-combatants and creating "terror" you can break the will of a larger nation.

If the USA in 2001 could have waved a magic wand that killed all the Taliban and didn't touch a hair on any non-combatants head they would have waved it and called it a day.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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The definition of terrorism is controversial and political, so there isn't a hard answer. But I think a general distinction is the targeting of combatants vs civilians. There is a difference between infiltrating military or para-military organizations or operations and intentionally targeting mass casualties of civilians for attention.

> But I think a general distinction is the targeting of combatants vs civilians When Afghans took up arms against occupying American soldiers, they were routinely called terrorists in American press and media. When Muslims fight America or Israel, they are called terrorists. When the situation is reversed, that label isn't applied.

Right. "The definition of terrorism is controversial and political"

Although I mostly recall the word "insurgent" being used for local fighters in those cases.

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It doesn’t look very surgical to me given the civilian casualties and general disregard of what can happen to innocent people. If anything this looks more like a state-sponsored terrorist attack than covert ops with collateral damage.

Agreed. Stuxnet was "surgical". Causing hundreds of explosions in proximity of civilians is not.

Given the videos showing explosions next to civilians (< 1m in one case) that walk away unharmed afterwards, I'd say that this is pretty surgical.
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